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Click to view KevinFoley1's profile Rookie 5 posts since
Apr 16, 2008

May 19, 2008 8:28 AM

Swim Training help!!!


I started swimming laps for the first time a few months ago to train for my first Sprint Tri. its 800m and after about 3 months of swimming laps I can only really swim350m - 500m tops! I feel like I have hit a ceiling and my tri is a month away. Should I step up my swim training? 5 Days a week?

I've also been swimming in a 4 foot pool so I can't stop to tread water or anything. My delts get so tired. Any suggestions on how to proceed?

Click to view Joe_H1's profile Community Moderator 1,041 posts since
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1. May 19, 2008 10:47 AM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!
what's is stopping you at 500M? has anyone watched you swim to critique your form? another dumb question do exhale in the water or out of the water?
Click to view Joe_H1's profile Community Moderator 1,041 posts since
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3. May 19, 2008 12:27 PM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!
hmm. well one thing i'd recommend is breathing out under the water so you have more time to inhale when your head is up. you are allowed to switch strokes if you get tired - I'd say maybe try some breaststroke you're even allowed to stop and float if you need to . If you get a chance check out total immersion by terry laughlin it's a book /dvd about swim form and in my very humble opinion is pretty good and might be some help. also if you possible a tri wetsuit gives you added bouyancy which reduces your drag and makes youre swim easier. maybe check around to see if you can rent one or get a deal on a used one.
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Apr 2, 2008
4. May 19, 2008 12:33 PM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!

Is your Tri open water or pool? You probably have already read that open water is a lot more difficult than pool races, for numerous reasons. If you have been swimming 3-4 days a week for the past 3 months, I would hope that your distance would have increased to at least 1000m? Are you pacing yourself during your training, or are you swimming each session race pace? If your delts are hurting your stroke may be off. There are videos and YouTube channels you can check out to see the correct way to swim. Are you getting tired physically (i.e. muscles can't pull you any more) or is stamina the sole reason of exhaustion?
Click to view Doc Tri's profile Amateur 34 posts since
Apr 4, 2008
6. May 19, 2008 4:24 PM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!

Don't worry about stopping, floating or treading water. The important thing is to finish the swim! Use side stroke, breast stroke, survival backstroke...anything to complete it. With a wetsuit on you'll have no problem floating so treading water is not an issue.

For the next month, after your warm up and drills, divide your 800m into intervals and do one set per workout: 8 X 100m with 15 sec rest; 4 x 200m with 20 sec rest; 3 x 300 with 25 sec rest; 2 x 400m with 30 sec rest. Try swimming it at the pace you will be swimming in the race. This is not sprinting. If you can complete these, you can complete the race. If you have to go slower, then do so. Try swimming your 800m in the pool at a slower pace just so you can finish it.

If your delts are tired, you may be performing your catch wrong. After you've recovered your arm and extended it, you may be pushing straight down on the water instead of "reaching over a barrel" to begin your catch. Also have someone look at your form to see if you're rolling on your side enough and not swimming flat in the water. If you're swimming flat (on your stomach like a barge), your arm recovery can be awkward causing your delts to fatigue.

As far as "how far to swim in open water?", you can: 1) swim for time and add 2-4 minutes that you should be able to finish 800m; 2)have someone with you in a kayak/canoe/boat with a GPS unit and they can accurately measure the distance.

Click to view Doc Tri's profile Amateur 34 posts since
Apr 4, 2008
8. May 20, 2008 3:54 PM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!
100yds in 2 min is slow but it is all relevant. You said you just started swimming again a couple of months ago. When I started training for triathlons and began swimming 12 years ago after a 15 year hiatus, my first 50 yds was 1 min. But with consistency in the pool and improving my technique, I improved greatly. Right now focus on finishing the swim. If it's 2 min per 100yds then so be it. Work on your form first and you're speed and endurance will increase. If you work very hard with bad technique, you're only reinforcing a bad habit.
Click to view Anthony_All3's profile Community Moderator 238 posts since
Aug 8, 2007
10. May 28, 2008 9:33 AM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!
Now that you have identified your problem areas, now its time to refine them. Here are a few drill syou can do to maximize efficiency. regarding your breathing, it should not be labored for an easy swim, so try exhaling fully on each stroke to ensure your not hyper ventilating, even with a breathing technique that may look ok, in many cases this is an undrelying problem.


1.) Fisting drill - For a 1/2 length only swim with your hands closed like fists, concentrate on bending your elbow after your reach in the water and feeling the water on your fore arm as you begin to pull. Don't rush this, your arm will move through the water very quickly due to less resistance from closed hands. After your half lap, open up your hands and feel the difference in your pull. You can do 25m or 50m, nothing fast, but take about 30 seconds to recover after each 1 as they can be a little tiring. 4-6 should be fine for now.

2.) Try dragging your finger tips on the water as you recover wth each arm, this will halp you maitain proper form through out your recovery(high elbows). Sam as above 25-50m lengths should do it.

3.) Swim with a tennis ball under your chin and try to keep it there for for lengths of 25m, rest after each for at least 30 sec, this will help develop an efficient breathing technique.

If you should require any aditional assistance, don't hesitate to contact me, I have been swimming for over 25 years and have coached several triathletes in the past years.

-Anthony

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May 26, 2008
11. Jun 8, 2008 8:07 PM in response to: KevinFoley1
Re: Swim Training help!!!

Hi Kevin-

I swam laps for the first time in my life a week ago to start preparing for the Olympic distance. I read a book called '
Swimming for Triathalons' and watch the 'Total Immersion Swimming DVD' and i swam 2000 yards without stopping on Friday (in 50 min). It was like a switch just turned on and it was effortless. It basically showed you how you should glide & float in the water. Check it out if you can because it has totally helped!!!

*Karisa