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Click to view Street_Life's profile Amateur 17 posts since
Jun 13, 2008

Jun 13, 2008 6:46 AM

Frequency of runs

Most of the training schedules i've looked at for "mileage buildup" seem to recommend running 4-5 times per week with shorter distances and then 1 long run each week. This will give weekly mileage of around 50 KM which is my goal.


The problem is I don't have the time to run more then 3 times per week. Currently i'm running 2-3 times per week with distances ranging from 12 KM - 20 KM each run. This is relatively easy for me, and no injuries so far. Is this type of training schedule going to adequetly prepare me for a marathon? I don't see myself ever being able to run more then 3 times per week because of work issues, but I do want to build up my mileage to marathon distance. How is this done for people with a limited schedule?


Should I be aiming for something like 15 KM / 15 KM / 20 KM for a weekly total of 50 KM, or should i be doing 3 equal distance runs? Or maybe a short, medium, and a long each week? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks

Click to view Rocky32189's profile Expert 35 posts since
Jun 11, 2008
1. Jun 13, 2008 2:22 PM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs
I am not an expert but I do not think you can properly prepare for a marathon only running 3 times per week.

Consider running early in the morning, if the nights are too busy. I'm sure there are times you could run, you just have to sacrifice other things. It's hard, I know, but running takes committment especially when you have lofty goals such as running a marathon.

Hopefully someone else who is more experienced than me can give you some proper training advice, schedules, etc.

Click to view Mark W Rice's profile Pro 85 posts since
May 21, 2008
3. Jun 15, 2008 6:33 AM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs

I did what you're wanting to do. But I'll use the old cliche (which is true) "everyone is different." I ran about three times per week because of time issues too. My mileage varied from 25 to 40 per week. I typically ran on Tuesday/Thursday and the long run on Saturday. When I felt that I could pack in another run, I ran my long run on Tuesday, so I could have Thursday, Saturday and Sunday for shorter runs (wanting the back to back run being the shorter run). My recuperation was not running at all... if I had the time to do something but not run, I would strength train with stretch bands in my living room (15 minutes before my shower... that's it... high benefit for low time). My running minumum was around 6 miles (for straight running) and my distance was 15 miles mostly, a few 18's and one 20. During the highest mileage weeks, I likely did two 10 milers, and an 18 miler. SPEED AND STRENGTH: I didn't have time to do all the periodization that some do in preparation. But I took NO extra time to assure that some of my runs were fast (or had periodic bursts of speed). I also tried not to slow down much on hills, and I watched my running form carefully, looking for ways that seemed more efficient (for me, that translates into a springier step... slightly less ground time). These things take effort, but NO EXTRA TIME because you're running anyway. A NOTE OF CAUTION... with so many days off, a danger point is inflexibility... assuming that you stretch only after running. So I sometimes streatched lightly at night before bed. FOR OTHER CONCERNS AROUND THIS TYPE OF TRAINING: I ran early in the morning (escaping the heat and car exaust) and that saved time (morning shower & prep is my after-run shower & prep). When I returned from running, I drank lots of carbs for glycogen recouperation (about 200 or so) then stretched (using 3 intervals of 15 second holds... faster than 2 intervals of 30 second holds, reducing my stretching time by a few minutes and giving me what some believe is a better stretch too) then showered. After the shower, I ate breakfast (I actually eat breakfast at work so I can work during breakfast and coffee... but that may not work for you).

In April of this year, I did my first marathon and was totally happy with the result. While I'm after speed (in a more casual sense than pros have), the real goal is completing a marathon, so this type of thing will likely work for that goal whether you are big boned or not, but your speed may vary.

I hope this helps... it is from my experience with mostly 3 session weeks, and on my first (and only) public race of any kind (however, it was after about 8 years of more casual running so I had some base on which to build - but maybe only 12 miles per week back then).

Mark

Click to view willamona's profile Legend 384 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
4. Jun 15, 2008 12:07 PM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs

You seriously want to try a marathon by only running 31 miles a week? I am a professional laborer and I find time to put in 50-90 mpw while training for a marathon. You will finish on your mileage, but you will probably feel awful when you are done. If you want to run a marathon and feel well when you are finished, you need to rearrange your priories. Why don't you wait until you are ready to take the distance seriously. If you feel you cannot wait, at least pick a course that allows 6-7 hours to finish, it looks like you nay need the time in case you would have to walk the entire distance. In fact, if you must get it done just to cross it off the life list, consider walking it instead; especially if you are unwilling to commit to the training time required to 'run' the race.


I would consider 50 mpw the bottom end of mileage, I would also recommend that the person runs at least 5 days a week, if not more. If this is not possible, there is nothing wrong with walking the marathon.

Click to view beatfreq's profile Pro 157 posts since
Jun 26, 2005
6. Jun 16, 2008 5:39 AM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs
I'd suggest mixing it up a bit. Don't get locked into numbers too much. You should concentrate on developing endurance - Long, Slow Distance. If you could build up to running one 17 - 20 mile run every 2 weeks, with your other 5 runs in that period being 8 - 12 miles, I think that would go a long way to developing some marathon type endurance. Keep everything slow to avoid injury. If you can run 13 miles in 1:45 in training, then these distances don't seem outrageous. This is just speculation on my part. Myself, I run every day. I seem to need the shorter recovery and easy runs to be able to handle the longer or faster runs. Good luck!
Click to view Rocky32189's profile Expert 35 posts since
Jun 11, 2008
7. Jun 16, 2008 6:31 AM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs

Are you looking to just finish the marathon or are you looking to run a fast time?

If you can run a 1:45 half-marathon, you definately have a good base to work off of. Build up your mileage slowly, listen to your body, and don't run the marathon until you absolutely feel you ready.

Click to view weelittleme's profile Expert 55 posts since
Apr 26, 2008
9. Jun 17, 2008 3:42 PM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs

If you are interested in running a marathon with 3 days a week of training why not check out the Furman Institute of Running & Scientific Training program or FIRST. They advocate running less but running higher quality and generally tougher, more intense runs but only three times per week. They have a program for training for the marathon that should fit the bill for you. I have no experience with the program (I am a new runner) but it is just something I have come across.

Cheers and good luck

Click to view Markedoc's profile Rookie 4 posts since
Jan 15, 2008
10. Jun 21, 2008 8:30 AM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs
I am sort of in the boat - between work and kids, i don't have the time, nor do i want to spend the time, running 60-70 miles a week. My weekday runs tend to be about an hour and around 7-8 miles, and a longer run on the weekends, somewhere in the 10-14 mile range. I am an every other day runner, with some cross training or weights in between. With that in mind, my focus is on the half-marathon length runs and improving my times on those. Maybe some day I'll change my mind and focus on a marathon, but right now I am happy with the half M.
Click to view Jim24315's profile Legend 1,956 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
11. Jun 22, 2008 7:34 AM in response to: Street_Life
Re: Frequency of runs

Currently i'm running 2-3 times per week with distances ranging from 12 KM - 20 KM each run. This is relatively easy for me, and no injuries so far. Is this type of training schedule going to adequetly prepare me for a marathon?

This is the question you asked and the answer is a resounding NO. A marathon is 26 miles and you are suggesting a 3-day schedule with the longest run less than half the marathon distance.

If you want to make the best of 50k per week I'd suggest doing a single run of 30k, another at 12k, and a 3rd at 8k. Maybe all the walking you do playing golf well help carry you through. I hope you don't ride a cart :8}

Click to view Mark W Rice's profile Pro 85 posts since
May 21, 2008
12. Jun 22, 2008 11:20 AM in response to: Jim24315
Re: Frequency of runs

Jim's point is a good one. I'd like to add that the mileage is not the big problem, but the workout. I understood your schedule to be simply time constrained OVERALL, not necessarily on a daily basis. So the type of training that I did may work for you. I did spread my workouts out similar to how Jim is stating. But my overall mileage is not that different from what you're stating. In the four months before my marathon, I trained these miles (per month): 103, 116, 140, 96 (plus the marathon itself for a total of 122 in the last month). But again, I did some long runs (a 20, a few 18's, many 15's and MANY around 13). But the weekly was not largely different from the mileage you're stating. The most was the month of 140 (which would be about ??? 54 KM per week. (My mileage is tracked on a Garmin 305 and logged, so these numbers are not memories... but are accurate.)

Having said that, I would recommend the higher level and if possible, for a longer period of time. The marathon was harder than it had to be had I done better training. I'd stick with a minimum of 50K per week (my current level) and I'm increasing that as I can fit it in.

But if you just can't do more than 50K, know this... you CAN DO IT. ...and one more note: I'd make sure to at least have a heart rate monitor so you can have some idea of your effort level. Learn what your max heart rate is, your resting rate and learn some guidelines as to what your recovery runs should be and what your training pace should be. I WOULD put in some tempo runs each week (except for the recovery weeks). These types of things will greatly help you ESPECIALLY with such a limited mileage available to you. I'd certainly recommend Tuesday and Thursday runs if your weekdays are the most packed... you can still do tempo runs and not take a TON of time. You can also do quite long distances on one of the weekend days, and if you have the time, do that on Saturday and then try to sneak in an extra recovery run on Sunday. I grabbed some running whenever I had time, and those few spots sometimes helped a great deal, especially when I could do a harder run than I did before.

I hope that encourages you to keep it up even with a severely restrictive schedule.

Mark

Click to view lenzlaw's profile Community Moderator 3,681 posts since
Jan 18, 2008
13. Jun 22, 2008 4:57 PM in response to: weelittleme
Re: Frequency of runs
I'll go with weelittleme. Check out the FIRST program: http://www.furman.edu/first/2006%20marathon%20training-first%20marathon.pdf

The program has three days of running a week, including the long run. There are programs for beginners to accomplished runners. They do strongly suggest cross-training a couple days a week, though it sounds like you could finish a marathon in a reasonable time without the cross-training. If you can run a 1:45 half-marathon, the main thing you are lacking for the marathon is long runs. Your long runs would peak at about 20 miles/30Km. As for weekly mileage, I know at least one person who consistently runs 3:20 to 3:40 marathons (3:40 is a really bad day for him) on less than 50 miles per week.

Len



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