Oct 14, 2008 5:14 PM
How many miles should I be running (and a couple other questions, too)?
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Hello -- I've been running for several years now, and have averaged out to about 20-26 mpw. How many should I be running to consider myself a "true runner"? I would love to run more, but since I can only run 3 (sometimes 4) days a week, this is the most I can do. My week usually consists of: Work three days (long 13+ hours on my feet...on work days I don't do any exercise at all); run three days (8-10 miles one day, 6-8 day two, and 6 on day three); weight train two days a week; road bike or mountain bike one day a week; and swim a mile once or twice a week. Because of my work schedule, I have to cram all my exercising into three or four days, which means doing at least two forms of exercise each day. With all that cross training, is running only 20-26 mpw okay? Also: if ANYONE can tell me why with all that exercise and working a job that I am on my feet for over 12 hours a day I can't lose ANY weight at all, please tell me! I count every calorie and eat mostly all healthy foods, but am unable to lose even 1/2 a lousy pound! I average about 1700 -2000 calories each day. I've tried less, but even eating 2000/day leaves me hungry and thinking of food all the time. How do people who exercise a lot survive on only 1400 or so a day? I am 5'5", 140-142 lbs, 40 years old and female. Please don't say that "muscle weighs more than fat" and "maybe you don't have any to lose" because I know how I look and how I could look if I was only 10-15 lbs. lighter. The last time I had my body fat % checked it was around 20% (which is way too high). I know I've asked a lot of questions, but I really need some answers to help me feel better about my exercise routine and to keep my sanity!
Have you had your thyroid checked? In our 40's unfortunately our metabolism does tend to slow down apart from a potential thyroid issue. Weight lifting can help increase your metabolism. Also, if you tend to do the same workouts more or less your body adapts to what you are doing.
You know, you may be a healthy looking 140 lbs and have more muscle like you didn't want to hear. I'd be interested in knowing what your friends think.
LASTLY!!!! You are a true runner...not sure how and why you would think otherwise.
Thanks for the quick reply!
Yes, I have had my thyroid checked. Actually, I've been on 150mcg of generic synthroid since I was 23 years old. I get my levels checked every 6 months, so I know my dose is correct. I guess I look "okay" for my age, however, I'm so frustrated by exercising so much with no results. Don't get me wrong... I love to work out, but a little results wouldn't hurt. Thanks again!
Being a "true runner" is more about attitude than mileage or speed, etc. We had a discussion about this on the Marine Corps Marathon board a couple weeks ago. I'll have to see if I can find it. You certainly get your share of exercise. 20 - 25 miles per week is what I usually recommend as base mileage for (recreational) racing. There are race training programs (up to marathon) that have only 3 running days a week. As for losing weight . . . from what I've read 2000 calories is pretty much maintenance for a moderately active person of 140 pounds (not including all the exercise). No offense, but I have to ask about your calorie counting. Or you could be like me. I counted calories for several months at basically maintenance level, and should have been losing weight and didn't. Metabolic rate comes into play too, and I don't know enough about it to figure its role.
Len
Len
JeanAnnette wrote:Thanks for the quick reply!
Yes, I have had my thyroid checked. Actually, I've been on 150mcg of generic synthroid since I was 23 years old. I get my levels checked every 6 months, so I know my dose is correct. I guess I look "okay" for my age, however, I'm so frustrated by exercising so much with no results. Don't get me wrong... I love to work out, but a little results wouldn't hurt. Thanks again!
What do you consider "results"? Results of working out, to me, include longer life, better health and conditioning, higher energy levels, etc. Part of that may be weight loss, but not necessarily. Weight control is more likely.
Len
Len
Thanks, Len. I guess I'm just eating too much. (Sigh....) I don't know how active people survive on fewer calories, but if they can do it, I guess I should be able to, too. As for my calorie counting: I'm pretty diligent about it. I use a website called fitday.com where I customize all my foods according to their label. If anything, I err on the high side. If you have any menu ideas to keep me around 1400/day, I'd surely appreciate them. Thanks again for the reply.
Hello again. I guess results for me would include: a flatter midsection; more definition in my arms; less body fat; and weighing what I did three years ago (128). It's not that I don't appreciate all the other benefits of exercise... I do. I just want to see some of the external benefits, too. I guess I just figure that with all my hard work and trying so hard to eat healthy, I'd like to look a little better in a bathing suit. ![]()
No matter what you think, you are a true runner. Maybe you should see a nutritionist about your diet. I personally wouldn't worry so much about your weight. You are in excellent shape and probaly have lots of energy , Thats what its all about.
JeanAnnette wrote:Thanks, Len. I guess I'm just eating too much. (Sigh....) I don't know how active people survive on fewer calories, but if they can do it, I guess I should be able to, too. As for my calorie counting: I'm pretty diligent about it. I use a website called fitday.com where I customize all my foods according to their label. If anything, I err on the high side. If you have any menu ideas to keep me around 1400/day, I'd surely appreciate them. Thanks again for the reply.
I don't think you're eating too much. I think you would quickly be in bad shape if you tried to survive on 1400 calories a day. I agree with the prior post that a nutritionist assessment of your diet and maybe an indepedent assessment of your appearance are in order. In other words, maybe you're too hard on yourself.
Len
Len
Wow, reading your blog was a carbon copy of my very own thoughts towards myself!! I too would love how to shed even one ounce! GGRR! I have a thyroid problem, 125 mcg. Levo. Run like a wild banshee (apx 40 mpw at a 8 to 9 min pace) eat and drink only healthy options - stay about 1200 calories a day and i'll be doggone, not one stinkin' pound wants to leave me!
I want to hear the responses as well. They certainly would help me out too. Thank you for the post...thought i was alone in this frustrated state of affairs.
I too do NOT want to hear that 5'7 and 145lbs is fine. Well, ok, it is ok for some people but i have a goal of 130 and for the life of me can't achieve it! Anyone else on my regimine would be dead! and weigh about 100 pounds.
We have our own goals and it is equally frustrating when the efforts are futile.
HELP US SOMEONE!!!
Kim Runs
In response to KimRuns
WOW!! We're twins separated at birth! It is uncanny the similarities between us. I read some of your other threads, and I can relate to them as well. I, too, look like the top of a margarita glass after a sweaty run. And, I too live in an extremely humid state (Montgomery, AL) and can barely run during the summer months. I get up at 5 a.m. and still drip with sweat, and it feels like my legs are made of lead. I also work with people who think I'm crazy because I work out all the time and eat healthy. They make fun of my lunches all the time (as they're eating cafeteria food or Chappy's Deli fried, nasty food and then washing it all down with a quart of sweet tea). I would love to chat with you about what you eat (I have a hard time staying under 2000/day... I'm hungry ALL THE TIME) as well as your running regime. 40 mpw is a lot! How do you do it? How many miles do you run each day? How many days a week? Please email me at jamooring1967@yahoo.com so we can compare notes. I am also looking for some place near me that measures body fat and RMR. I'd be willing to drive to FL if you know of a place that measures these accurately. Hope to hear from you!
I have one other question for both of you. Have you discussed this with your doctor? I would assume you have with the thyroid issues and all, but one never knows. Honestly I can't imagine running 40 mpw, 154 pounds and living on 1200 calories a day. Admittedly I'm 190 pounds but I eat that much by halfway through lunch (I'm in the 3000 calorie per day range).
Len
Len
Hello Len
Yes, I have discussed this with my doctor. His attitude (as with most people I've asked... personal trainers, gym rats, etc.) is that I'm not fat, so there isn't any problem. I realize that I'm not fat. But I also realize that I have a layer of fat that covers my body that should be going away with all the effort I'm putting forth. I just would like to weigh what I did three years ago (128). I know that I'm older and my metabolism keeps slowing, but at this rate I'll be 200 lbs by the time I'm 50. Each time I get my thryroid level checked I secretly hope that my dose is wrong and I'll need a higher one, but no such luck. As it is I am on a fairly large dose for being a female and for the size I am. I'm not being unrealistic in how I'd like to look. I know that the days of looking like one of the "Girls Next Door" are over. But looking a little more like Sandra Bullock or Halle Berry wouldn't hurt.:^0
Kim,
If you look at all the latest research out there you'll find that you will not lose weight by drastically limiting your caloric intake. 1200 calories is strict, nothing. You need to increase your calories, eat small meals throughout the day, and implement some exercise that helps develop your large muscle groups thus increasing your metabolism. Your body is holding on to what it has because of the decreased calories.
Teri
I have heard what Teri said from other sources, but I don't really know enough to be sure how that works either. It's something to consider. Too bad we can't get Nancy Clark in on this discussion. (She's a well known sports nutritionist.) What I do know is that Kim should be burning 500+ calories per day and JeanAnnette 300 to 400 a day just from running. Your basic metabolic rate has to be pretty low to keep going on the remaining calories. And the thyroid issue really complicates the picture. If it were me I would want to find specialists on both the thyroid and the nutrition side, who also are sports/running oriented. That's a tough thing to do though I'm sure. Beyond that I'm out of suggestions. I hope you both find a solution.
Len
Len
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