tungniweliv wrote:

of course it is!

Is not

Pagans have no regard for human life, calling the babies fetuses, blobs and not created beings. God teaches us absolutes!

"if men struggle with each other and strike a woman (induce labor) with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life." (Exodus 21:22-23)

(Amo 1:13) So says Jehovah: For three transgressions of the sons of Ammon, yea for four, I will not turn away +from +it. Because they have _ripped up the pregnant _women of Gilead, to make their own border larger.(Mat 18:6) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and +that +he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 

How's that for your image of a mamby - pamby Jesus? Pick on people your own size!

Just sayin'. Well, I wasn't really sayin' per se, but you know what I mean.

Abortion is murder.  There are many angles to this arguement.  As a Christian, I can use the Bible to prove my point although if I'm arguing with someone who isn't a Christian and doesn't believe the Bible, then my arguement has no basis to that person.  From a strictly logical standpoint I would challenge a pro-abortion person to explain when a fetus becomes a person and is no longer a non-human.  Some would say when the child can survive on their own.  I would say that many adults would have a hard time living in isolation for any length of time much less a baby.  Some would give a certain time frame but that could be argued.  What about a premature baby and the great lengths doctors go in order to save their lives?  There is too much that could be discussed here but if a person would think about it long enough, the only logical conclusion is that once life is formed in the womb, it is a human life and therefore abortion is murder in a selfish attempt to avoid responsibility, no matter how one tries to justify it.

of course abortion isn't murder! Murder is illegally taking one's life, abortion is legal, ergo it isn't murder.

No.  Abortion is a choice you make about something happening to your body.  People can view pregnancy in different ways.  For some it's joyous, for others, not so much.

  Abortion = control.  Murder is rarely a controlled act.  Murder is not something most people are capable of doing.  Murder is usually irrational and not planned out.   I don't care who you are or what your beliefs are you have to respect a peron's right to choose and womens' right to choose and if you don't ignorance=stupid.

Perhaps the questioner means what kinds of abortions are there? When the police or Navy special-ops decide that it is too dangerous to go into a building in a certain fashion, the squad leader will say, "Abort! Abort!"  That word means the mission will not be carried out and one must stop any and all activity that would begin the mission. So in some way, to abort a fetus, or an embryo or what looks like either one of them is to stop his or her life from existing.  This is just another way of saying, "I will have them killed before they are born into this world."  One might say that when the intention is to directly kill the fetus or embryo for good reasons, or bad reasons, it is always a type of unjust killing of an innocent human being, and therefore is a murder.