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135. Jun 20, 2006 5:31 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
1MileRunner,

I was going to respond, but then read Brook Trout's comment. I second everything he said. Try some shorter intervals (400's, 800's) , to get used to running faster, then throw in a 3-4 mile tempo run. It will probably just take some consistency (several 40 mpw's in a row), if you haven't done so already. I'm sure you should be able to run much faster.

FYI - my daily run avg pace is `8:30 - 8:45, but my speedwork is quicker ( 3 x 1 mile in 6:30). One thing you might want to do is slow down a little on the daily run, and try to "speed up" the speed work.

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136. Jun 20, 2006 6:52 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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Thanks guys. I've been meaning to try the shorter intervals, I think I will on the next track work out. (those mile repeats are hard but I was getting use to them.
I did run a fast 3.1 miles last week in place of my mile repeats I didn't want to do the fast repeats when I had just hit 40 miles for the first time, I did feel tired and kind of sore, I didn't run it as fast as I normally do I did in 23:50 thats kind of slow for me (for a fast run) I think my fastest 5k test run at the start of spring was 23:11 I wish I could do a test run the same speed I do a race (but I can't not by my self)

Thanks for sharing your back grounds it gives me hope to see that you guys have hit 20's and under with out years and years of experience and a professional track and CC back ground.


and brook trout, to see what you have mastered in just a short time gives me a LOT of hope, thanks again for all the help you have gave me.



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137. Dec 20, 2007 9:26 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
I plan to run my second 5k ever this coming weekend. The first 5k was in 1997-98. I did VERY little training and ran 22:09. The past few months I've consistently ran 30-40 mile weeks. I'm certain that my training miles have doubled for this race as opposed to the first race.

My hope is to break the 20 min mark. I have another 5k scheduled for 7/22 on a faster course. If I miss the mark this time I'll try again in July.

BTW, I've done absolutely no speed work this time. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

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138. Jun 21, 2006 6:25 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
you guys are good. I did my first 5K around what you guys all are doing I think my first in April was 22:19 (stopped to tie my shoe 2 times. my 2nd with out the shoe trouble was 22:09 my 3rd 21:45 you guys were wanting the 20 mark "after your first??????? I was wishing for 21 after my first.

My 4th will be This Saturday and I know I wont be any place near the 20 mark, now I hope to stay in the 21's and get low 21's

great job

but you know back in high school when I first started the CC team my coach never had us run over 6 miles and that was only every few weeks our longest run was like 4 miles he didn't work us that much, I think most of my CC races were 26 to 24 when I did reach 21 I was the one that got the most improved award.
this last winter I racked up the miles (20 to 30 miles per week) and my first race was in the 22 work does pay off

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139. Jun 21, 2006 5:56 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
Maria,

You're running a 5k in my hometown in July! I literally grew up in Kindleberger park, it is 1 block from our old house. I'd love to get back there and run that race someday.
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140. Jun 21, 2006 6:36 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
In answer to your query, several posts above:

I tried to make it as a walk-on XC guy my senior year in college and wasn't nearly good enough. Kept running and within a few post-collegiate years (by the age of 25) had run the following times:

5K: 17:27
5 mile: 28:00
10K: 35:49
10 mile: 59:35
marathon: 2:53:30

I quit training and racing in 1984 and, although I kept jogging (3-4 times a week, 3-4 miles, easy), I didn't run seriously, or race at all, until April 2003. My first 10K back was 47:10. My second 10K was 48:04. A week later I ran my first 5K in 22:00. That seemed like a reasonable baseline.

After several years of pretty dedicated training (40 mpw all year long, give or take a little), I've lowered my times as follows:

5K: 19:41 (I also have a 19:30 but I suspect a short course)
10K: 40:48.

Each season, as I've aged from 46 to 48, I've pared some time away from my old-guy PRs. I see the writing on the wall--no return to actual former time-ranges--but the verdict is still out on exactly how much time I can still scrape off those numbers. Obviously I'd love to hit or break 19:00 and 40:00. Those are good round numbers to guide my training.

Interestingly, as I get stronger over these return-to-running years, the races don't hurt quite as much. I think that's because I've learned the art of proper pacing. It's also because I've learned to push myself hard at appropriate moments in training, so that race-pace on race-day doesn't come as a shock. In fact, since I'm tapered and adrenalized and don't go out too fast, it comes as a positive relief: show time, folks! The wait is over. Show me whatch got.

The advice from other quarters about easing up slightly on your easy days and running your intervals a bit faster is excellent. Also, if you're running six miles, it's always a good idea to run the first mile--or at bare minimum the first half mile--pretty easy, without pushing at all, to give all systems a chance to come up to speed. If you're running a ten-miler, think of the first five miles as the warmup and the last five miles as the push. Think progression run, in other words. If you're in a summer base-training phase, actually, it's good sometimes just to go out and run easy/steady with no push for the entire 10 miles, letting the work be the simple fact of putting in the miles. It's taken me a couple of years to understand this principle, in my bones, but it's finally sinking in.

Of course sometimes it's fun to just go out on a training day and hit it hard, and have fun. Sometimes we get so rational about training that we forget about the primal side. Running is nothing if not primal--or can be--and it's good to honor that side of the sport, too.
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141. Jun 22, 2006 8:49 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
well then duckgeek you need to get your butt back here now and run the Parchment Kindleberger (this July) and here is your ONLINE REGISTRATION
Online Reg. Closes: July 13, 2006 04:59 PM Pacific Time. But why don't you just sign up now, you can come run this race and I can pace off of you, and you can get me to the 20 mark, how about that???? sounds good to me! bring the family!!!

what day will you be here then?

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142. Jun 22, 2006 8:57 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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Yeah, really duck! Sounds like you're ready, because it sounds like you think you're there, which (apart from being fit enough), is one of the more important factors!

...and Kudzu, I loved your post, esp. the last paragraph. You have a way with words - I'm guessing you're a writer?



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143. Jun 22, 2006 10:36 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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KudzuRunner I also loved your post, thank you for sharing that, I took it all in, and will use it, if my printer was working I would print it so I could use it on days I needed it most. some days it is so hard to force my self to slow down. its like my body is this wild burst of energy thats craving that running rush, and my mind is just along for the ride, my mind needs to control that running rush, but most days its just so hard, I get to running that fast pace and it just feels so normal,
brook trout has been telling me for almost a year now that I need to slow down, well I guess if I want to see those times improve I need to start running like a beginner again, next week is a new week,

but how slow?... now I'm afraid,,,, if I do slow down,,,, it will be to slow


My last 5K I got my best time but my first mile was 6:19 I didn't feel I was going that fast, I haven't ran a mile that fast in 17 years


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144. Jun 22, 2006 10:43 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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Mile,

I was telling you to slow down when you were doing 1 mile time trails every day

I think you're fine, for now - running easy, by feel - but not going all out every day. Pace varies from day to day, as you know. As long as it's easy, I wouldn't get hung up on the time, HR, etc.

That 6:19 mile1 was adrenaline. You're lucky you didn't bury yourself! I remember, my fist race this spring (after not racing all winter), I went out with a pacer for the first mile (an accomplished local masters female, who usually runs in the high 19s) in my first attempt to go sub-20.

All through the first mile, I was getting anxious, thinking that we were going way too slow - that I'd never be able to get the 20 at the pace we were running at... I considered just passing her several times, but stuck with it.

We hit the first mile at 5:58 . I imploded about a 1/2 mile later when reality caught up with me (and ended up not meeting the sub-20 on that attempt).

It's amazing what adrenaline can do!

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145. Jun 22, 2006 2:46 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by 1milerunner:
well then duckgeek you need to get your butt back here now and run the Parchment Kindleberger (this July) and here is your ONLINE REGISTRATION
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Well, there's the little problem of 2,500 miles to cover, and the 2 week old baby at home....

I do usually go back once a year in May for a golf tourney in Plainwell that is named after my Dad. Other than that, I try to get my relatives to come out HERE for a visit! No humidity and no mosquitos. I will tell my brother about it though. His 11 year old boy has been running 6:10 miles recently, so maybe he can bring him over from Detroit to visit Nana and run that race.

A quick anecdote about talent and youth: This same brother played baseball in HS during the spring seasons, so he never ran track. He made an off-the-cuff misogynist comment about female distance runners to some girls on the track team. He bet them a six pack of beer that he could beat the best girls' mile time posted in the G-K (greater Kalamazoo) that spring (1981). A girl ran 5:15, so he trained for a week and ended up running a 5:12, but he just about passed out at the end! Despite winning the bet, he learned his lesson.
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146. Jun 22, 2006 4:47 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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HA HA brook trout I can't believe you remember that, my 1mile time trails every day, thats funny! I think I did end up hurting over that, I think after that I had every kind of Running Injuries I can think of, Knees, hips, calfs, leg my leg started hurting so bad one day i really thought it was broken

and wow 5:58 first mile. Its strange how you really don't feel your running that fast, when I got to the mile marker of that 6:19 I was a little worried I would be around 7:30 it just felt that slow.


duckgeek Congratulations on the new baby! and yes I can see that being a little problem but maybe some day, I'm really looking forward to that race, last years race results showed it being a small one, I like those.

I have another one this Saturday, all I know about this one is, for a 10K and a 5K last year out of those 2 races only about 100 people showed, this one is not chip timed, its in Centreville we run in to the Covered Bridge I'm going in the Moring to get a "wicking tank top" the Humidity is killing me!!!

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147. Dec 20, 2007 9:26 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
ok - I'm all in!

as part of my on-going quest to get my fat arse to Boston, I want to run a sub 20 5K

Four years of running, 5 marathons, 9 halfs, six 10Ks, and a few other odd distances, but I've never run a 5K race!

I'm going to do one on July 4th - I'll keep you posted...


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148. Jun 24, 2006 11:18 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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Today was the second 5k "race" of my life. In college (10 years ago) I ran 22:10 (+/-). I've done zero speed work this year. Well...truthfully, I ran two 1 mile repeats last week to try to determine a pace goal for today.

Unofficial time was 21:15, a new PR. Splits were something like 6:40, 7:00, 6:50, :45. I accidentally reset my watch before I got home. I was holding out hope for a sub 21, and thinking that maybe on my best day I might flirt with 20. Yikes was that off. I will break 21 in July when I race my home town 5k. Loads of friends and family there for motivation + a flat, straight course. Who knows, maybe with one under the belt I'll flirt with 20 then?

I doubled back today and paced a friend to a new PR for him in the 10k (about 54 mins). He was very happy with that and I got all of my running in for the day. All in all a good day.
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149. Jun 24, 2006 3:20 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
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Congrats to all who broke 20!

I was wondering what my 5k time would be. I run a 5:45 mile, and I seem to be better as the distance gets higher. For ex., I run a 2:45 half mile, and a 17.5 100 meters. Maybe its just me, but those times seem a little slow for a 5:45 mile. I definatly have slow twitch muscles! (to put it nicely ) Calculators have never worked well for me, so I was wondering what your mile times and 5k times are. Thank you!

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