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May 18, 2007
615. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
My weight at the start of September was 260 lbs (Body Fat 31.5%) which was the heaviest I have ever been.

I started back up on September 5th, 2006, after 2 years of not running. Missed all of October with a twisted ankle. On November 12th, 2007, I weighed 255 lbs.

As of May 17th, 2007, I am currently down to 206 lbs (Body Fat 24.0%) and just recently ran a 5k at a 6:53 pace (21:24). I have lost 54 lbs and 24% of my body fat. My age is 41 and my height is 5'11". I have run 600 miles so far this year.

Races
November 23, 2006 Turkey Trot 5 Miles 47:53
December 2, 2006 5k Santa Run 27:28
December 9, 2006 Jingle Bell 5k 27:19
January 27, 2007 5 Mile Trail Run 54:13
February 10, 2007 Frostbite 5 miler 41:46
March 3, 2007 Strides of March 5K 24:01
March 10, 2007 Cavalier 5k 24:36
March 17, 2007 St Patrick 5K 23.24
March 25, 2007 Heart Mini-Marathon 15 K 1.22.05
March 31, 2007 7 Mile Trail Series run 79.07
April 7th, 2007 Save a Life 5K 23.12
April 11th, 2007 Helke Park 5K 23.21
April 14th, 2007 10K Trail Race 56:45
April 21, 2007 Sugar Maple 5K 23:24
May 5th, 2007 Derby Day Dash 5K 22.36
May 9th, 2007 5K Trail Race 25:16
May12th, 2007 Memorial 5K 21:24

At the pace I am going when would I expect to break the 20:00 barrier? I am hoping to break 21:30 again this weekened. I have a couple of training runs in the middle of the week wich would have me believe that I could break 21:00. I never feel 100% for a race because of my training. I wonder if I took a week off and tried a 5k, If my time would substantially drop. My training log, photos and race details are posted on my website runwalkjog.com



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Dec 9, 2005
616. May 18, 2007 3:26 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runwalkjog:
My weight at the start of September was 260 lbs (Body Fat 31.5%) which was the heaviest I have ever been.

I started back up on September 5th, 2006, after 2 years of not running. Missed all of October with a twisted ankle. On November 12th, 2007, I weighed 255 lbs.

As of May 17th, 2007, I am currently down to 206 lbs (Body Fat 24.0%) and just recently ran a 5k at a 6:53 pace (21:24). I have lost 54 lbs and 24% of my body fat. My age is 41 and my height is 5'11". I have run 600 miles so far this year.

Races
November 23, 2006 Turkey Trot 5 Miles 47:53
December 2, 2006 5k Santa Run 27:28
December 9, 2006 Jingle Bell 5k 27:19
January 27, 2007 5 Mile Trail Run 54:13
February 10, 2007 Frostbite 5 miler 41:46
March 3, 2007 Strides of March 5K 24:01
March 10, 2007 Cavalier 5k 24:36
March 17, 2007 St Patrick 5K 23.24
March 25, 2007 Heart Mini-Marathon 15 K 1.22.05
March 31, 2007 7 Mile Trail Series run 79.07
April 7th, 2007 Save a Life 5K 23.12
April 11th, 2007 Helke Park 5K 23.21
April 14th, 2007 10K Trail Race 56:45
April 21, 2007 Sugar Maple 5K 23:24
May 5th, 2007 Derby Day Dash 5K 22.36
May 9th, 2007 5K Trail Race 25:16
May 9th, 2007 Memorial 5K 21:24

At the pace I am going when would I expect to break the 20:00 barrier? I am hoping to break 21:30 again this weekened. I have a couple of training runs in the middle of the week wich would have me believe that I could break 21:00. I never feel 100% for a race because of my training. I wonder if I took a week off and tried a 5k, If my time would substantially drop. My training log is posted on my website runwalkjog.com
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Man if you can run a 21:24 at 205 pounds I should be able to break 20 soon. I am at 145 pounds and only 34. I have run 650 miles this year. I ran a 21:20 last September in a 5k. 8 months later and about 1000 miles later I ran a 20:22. It will still take a lot of training. Just stick with it as it sounds like you are making good strides with the weight loss and may be a more genetically inclined to running than I am.

No need to take a week off and try a 5k. If you really want a taper I would suggest doing 50% of your average weekly mileage then trying a 5k. I might try another 5k this Sunday.
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Nov 20, 2007
617. May 18, 2007 3:31 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runwalkjog:
My weight at the start of September was 260 lbs (Body Fat 31.5%) which was the heaviest I have ever been.

I started back up on September 5th, 2006, after 2 years of not running. Missed all of October with a twisted ankle. On November 12th, 2007, I weighed 255 lbs.

As of May 17th, 2007, I am currently down to 206 lbs (Body Fat 24.0%) and just recently ran a 5k at a 6:53 pace (21:24). I have lost 54 lbs and 24% of my body fat. My age is 41 and my height is 5'11". I have run 600 miles so far this year.

Races
November 23, 2006 Turkey Trot 5 Miles 47:53
December 2, 2006 5k Santa Run 27:28
December 9, 2006 Jingle Bell 5k 27:19
January 27, 2007 5 Mile Trail Run 54:13
February 10, 2007 Frostbite 5 miler 41:46
March 3, 2007 Strides of March 5K 24:01
March 10, 2007 Cavalier 5k 24:36
March 17, 2007 St Patrick 5K 23.24
March 25, 2007 Heart Mini-Marathon 15 K 1.22.05
March 31, 2007 7 Mile Trail Series run 79.07
April 7th, 2007 Save a Life 5K 23.12
April 11th, 2007 Helke Park 5K 23.21
April 14th, 2007 10K Trail Race 56:45
April 21, 2007 Sugar Maple 5K 23:24
May 5th, 2007 Derby Day Dash 5K 22.36
May 9th, 2007 5K Trail Race 25:16
May 9th, 2007 Memorial 5K 21:24

At the pace I am going when would I expect to break the 20:00 barrier? I am hoping to break 21:30 again this weekened. I have a couple of training runs in the middle of the week wich would have me believe that I could break 21:00. I never feel 100% for a race because of my training. I wonder if I took a week off and tried a 5k, If my time would substantially drop. My training log is posted on my website runwalkjog.com
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Great job so far! Very well done.

I do know it gets a bit harder at this point. You are right around where I'm at (I haven't lost quite as much weight, but still quite a bit as well) for a 5K time.

I would just keep focusing on losing any extra weight necessary, and you might find that breaking 20:00 will come naturally. (Given your progress thus far!) As for tapering for a 5K, I might take the day off before a 5K, but generally I just run easier miles in the week leading up to a race. Cut the intensity some, and maybe mileage, depending on your schedule and what you feel is appropriate.

Another thought is simply to not run so many races. Pick a race every 3 or 4 weeks instead of racing every week. That would be a taper in itself.
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Mar 20, 2007
618. May 18, 2007 4:07 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
runwalkjog, whatever you're doing...keep doing it! Obviously it is working very well. You've made great progress in a short time.

For some reason I've seen this pattern repeated many times:

1. big guy decides to get in shape
2. big guy starts running, biking, etc.
3. big guy loses lots of weight
4. big guy starts getting fast
5. not-so-big guy (but still bigger than me) starts beating me

FYI, I have weighed virtually the same since 10th grade (36, 6'0", 153 lbs). It amazes me that you guys can catch up and actually get faster than someone like me in such a short period of time, when I've been skinny and active my whole life!

My theory, which is based on pure speculation, is that big guys have really strong muscles, even if they are couch potatoes. They need strong muscles just to move 250+ pounds around. Once the weight comes off...watch out. Those same muscles convert the strength into pure speed.

So anyway, congratulations on some excellent accomplishments so far.

To get to your question, I'm not sure when you'll break 20 for the 5k. It could easily be next month, or the end of the summer, or next year. One thing I would HIGHLY recommend is to not treat 20 minutes as a "barrier." It's just an arbitrary time, like any other time. Look at it as a signpost on your way to getting even faster.

That said, it does feel pretty good to go sub-20! :-) So good luck and keep up the good work.


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May 18, 2007
619. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Docster:
Great job so far! Very well done.

I do know it gets a bit harder at this point. You are right around where I'm at (I haven't lost quite as much weight, but still quite a bit as well) for a 5K time.

I would just keep focusing on losing any extra weight necessary, and you might find that breaking 20:00 will come naturally. (Given your progress thus far!) As for tapering for a 5K, I might take the day off before a 5K, but generally I just run easier miles in the week leading up to a race. Cut the intensity some, and maybe mileage, depending on your schedule and what you feel is appropriate.

Another thought is simply to not run so many races. Pick a race every 3 or 4 weeks instead of racing every week. That would be a taper in itself.
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Could one of the reasons for time improvement be the number of races I have been running? I really don't do speed training except for the races.

A chart I am looking at (by Bob Glover) states that I could improve my 5K time by 1:15 for every 10 lbs I lose. If this is correct by the time I reach my goal weight of 160lbs, I should be able to run a 16:00 5K. Could this really be accurate? So far it looks like I am on track with the chart. I have dropped 6 minutes with the loss of 50 lbs.

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Nov 5, 2006
620. May 18, 2007 5:53 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
There is no way anyone could run a 16 min 5k just from losing weight. Your improvement will probably slow down as you get faster.
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Jan 17, 2007
621. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
It really isn't that difficult to break 20 if you are in reasonable shape. If you can run 6 miles without stopping, you can probably go under 20. Aim for about 30 miles a week with three speed sessions. A recommended speed session is 3xMile ten seconds under goal pace, with 2 minute rest.

What it takes is a bit of determination and hard work. I'm about 4 minutes under it now, but when I was trying to break 20 I found that adding a little bit of hard work would get me there. I'm not very genetically talentedstarted around 22 minutes on a month of training, took me 3 months to get whre I am now.


Eat right, do more speedwork, add 10% to your wpm. then you're there.

Edit: RUNWALKJOG, I run around that and I'm 145 at 15. It takes ALOT more than ten pounds to lose 1:15, and to run 16:00 you better start doing about 90 miles per week. good luck.

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Apr 7, 2006
622. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
quote:<HR>Originally posted by charlieeee:
. I'm about 4 minutes under it now, but when I was trying to break 20 I found that adding a little bit of hard work would get me there...

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That's one f'in **** of an improvement. Question: you're in HS, correct? Not to say sound training and talent don't come into play, but you're also in your formative years--very different equation for a 30-50 year old guy to get that kind of improvement?

Curious (and truly, just curious): how long it take to go from over 20 to 16:xx (and if you're running in the 16s, did you go to Footlocker regionals in the Midwest will 16 get you to Footlocker)? How did your training evolve? Any kind of phyisical changes on your end?
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May 18, 2007
623. May 19, 2007 9:25 AM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
I ran the Miamisburg, Ohio Spring Fling 5K today hoping to break 21:30 again. Last week was not a fluke since I ran the exact same time again today, which was 21:24. I think I could have been under 21:00 if I paced myself better. I led the race for the first mile (uphill) in 6:28. The next spits were 7:12 (flat) with the last mile (mostly downhill) in 6:59. The last tenth was :44. My weight was at 213 lbs at the start of the race (7 Lbs heavier than A few days prior to the race). I am hoping to break 21;00 next weekend and 20:00 within the next month. Is this unrealistic?
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Dec 14, 2007
624. May 19, 2007 1:57 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
I think it is a bit unrealistic to take more than a minute off your time unless you are newer to running and/or can drop a decent amount of weight.

Slowly build miles and think long term. By Fall you could be there or sooner. Don't tear yourself up trying to do too much too soon.

Dropping weight will speed up the process a ton.

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May 13, 2007
625. May 19, 2007 2:58 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
Well I am ready to run a 5k tomorrow on a very flat course.

The weather site is calling for temps of 60 degrees at race time with a wind at 10mph. I could not ask for much better than this.

On June 1st I am scheduled to run this same course again so I will get 2 cracks at a very familiar course. I should be able to lower my time some more.

The course is 2 loops around a 2.5 km block. I am thinking how I want to attack this race. I am looking to run comfortably fast on mile 1 as I did in a training run last week (which I hit a mile in 6:35 even though I ran the last 1/2 mile into a stiff 15mph headwind). So I am hoping for 6:30 or below for mile 1. I would be right on target with a time anywhere in the 6:20's.

Once I get to mile 1 I will kick into concentration mode. I will attempt to put more effort in which I am looking to propel me to a 13:00-13:05 two mile time.

Mile 3 is the last one so I want to keep concentrating for the 1st half of it though my body will tell me to slow. I am looking forward to the last 1/2 mile of this race. I am going to try to put the hammer down and slice time in the last km.

The last 2 weeks I ran 20:22 and 20:28 so I don't think there is any reason I cannot be consistent in that range. With a flat course and good temps I might be seeing a new PR then on June 1st I can break the 20 barrier for good.
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626. May 19, 2007 5:11 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
Good luck Michigan. You will do fine.

I have my half tomorrow, temp should be 50-55. I would prefer 45 but can't complain......

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627. May 19, 2007 6:40 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tchuck:
Good luck Michigan. You will do fine.

I have my half tomorrow, temp should be 50-55. I would prefer 45 but can't complain......

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There is a half-mary in Lansing in September I might run. My dream time would be 1:30 but I have never run that far yet (furthest run was 12 miles). If I ran it today I would probably aim for 1:35.

You have a good time as well I appreciate the kind word and know what you mean by it.
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628. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
Well I am back from my 5k and posted a time of 20:51.
At least it was under 21. It was a nice flat course but the two loops with the wind was more brutal than I thought.

I ran 2 miles warmup. Then I ran comfortably fast on the 1st mile intentionally holding back a little. I hit 1 mile in 6:40. I felt like I was having a decent run so that deflated me a little. I tried to run a similar time for mile 2. I hit the midway part of the race (end of loop 1) in 10:22. I have to try and beat 21 I thought as it would be quite dissapointing to go above 21 again.

I hit 2 miles in 13:22 (6:42 second mile). I felt myself losing concentration in mile 3. With 1/2 mile to go I thought about putting the hammer down. It was so hard. I wanted to coast in...there was definately no hammer in me. I forced myself to pass a guy my age and it wasn't that bad so I upped the ante and passed 2 more guys going around the last turn ending with a 20:51 (approx 6:53 third mile)

I was 3rd of 20 in my age group and 41st of 418 overall.

I run this same course in 12 days. I have to make it my friend by then. I just didn't have it today but I like my new 3rd place medal.

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629. Dec 20, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: SaintCroixRunner
Re: Sub 20-Minute 5-K
Good job Michigan. Sounds like you ran a smart race. Way to get under 21 min. and find some targets to pass or stay with.

I think you will do better next time. The wind can affect performance. It certainly was deflating for me today for my half as I was ready to make a move to break 1:30 with 5K left only to face a 20mph wind. No way. Couldn't hold the pace I needed to but still PRd.

20:00 is very possible in 12 days with everything clicking. Do you run the day before the race???? What does your taper (or not) look like?? Just curious of a way to mix it up to help you peak out.

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