quote:<HR>Originally posted by bigapplepie:
Excuse me. For a 44 year-old with only 9 months running experience, 3:48 was hardly "just completing" a marathon.<HR>

There was no reference or even implied reference to you in my comment. Perhaps it didn't come across correctly, but I was trying to say that I've held off on running a marathon until I thought I was properly prepared. Getting up to 60mpw consistently is, for me (given what I see as a bad falloff at longer distances), part of being properly prepared. Anything less, again for me, and I would feel like I was just running one to say I'd done one, which doesn't interest me. Better?

quote:<HR>The lack of a bonk was implied by the negative splits.<HR>

I think that more accurately reflects the fact that you went out slowly for the first half, which is what people here are urging Grizzly's colleague to do. One can also avoid a bonk and get negative splits when walking a marathon, so those two conditions aren't necessarily indicative of being prepared to run one.

quote:<HR>My point was, I can't see why someone with a 50mpw base could not run a marathon in 6 weeks.<HR>

That's what everyone else here is saying as well. We're all saying he can do it but that he should take it easy, as his prep isn't optimal. No long runs above 17 miles (as of yet) is more of a worry point than the 50mpw, AFAIK. ****, just about anyone who's not physically challenged can complete a marathon. But if he's looking to go half x 2 + 10 (or even 20) for the full, I think everyone's urging more caution than that.

I love how people get sensitive.

With 10 months running experience my aim was to just complete my 1st marathon - I completed it in 3:09:48 - to me the difference is I did not try to run the fastest that I could - I left time on the course. When I race a marathon - I do not leave anything on the course.

Only the runner can tell you if they were out to race or just complete- Only other option is for elites that is to compete (Win or hit a desired finishing place with the minimum amount of effort)

Sometimes you just have to accept who you are - I am "The Pig"

Good running -

quote:<HR>Originally posted by nike84:

He should be fine the 2 20 milers will help and the fact that he has been running other races will help him out. I 've run
good marathons (sub 2:30) off 75-80miles week so I don't think it should be too much of a problem.

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Hey nike, did you have a lot of long runs under your belt when you ran the marathon or did you do it pretty much just off your regular 10k training? What sort of 10k shape were you in when you ran sub 2:30?

I think he'll be fine. In 2005, on my way to my first sub3, my mileage went like this. This is just an example, but goes to show what you can accomplish on low mileage if you want it bad enough.

Week Ending Mileage:
01/02/05 - 36.05
01/09/05 - 36.50
01/23/05 - 22.35
01/30/05 - 26.50
02/06/05 - 44.75
02/13/05 - 45.50
02/20/05 - 42.80
02/27/05 - 49.75
03/06/05 - 33.25
03/13/05 - 43.22
03/20/05 - 33.00
(2:58:48) 03/19/2005 Martain Marathon


http://This message has been edited by crunningman (edited Feb-17-2006).

Well, I dream of fitting in 50 mpw, and of being as fast as any one of the posters on this thread...but it hasn't happened yet. It may sometime, although no way am I ever going to go sub-3 (just can't picture that...I'm 6'4" 215 lbs, sure I could lose some weight...but probably not THAT much...). So I found out almost three weeks ago that I had a business trip that put me in a position to run the Tampa Marathon (which happens just over a week from now, which was just about four weeks after I found out). I had two long runs of 15 miles, two of 13, and a few before that. I love running marathons, as pitifully as I do it, and so I just went out and threw down a 20 mile run so I could have a hope. I tried to do another this past weekend and fell afoul of weather and only made 16 (deep snow). Oh well. I'll finish, probably a bit faster than I deserve to, and perhaps will train as well as your friend for my next one.

If I was in his shoes with six weeks and weekly long runs of 15-17 miles, I'd run 20 three of the next four weekends and call it good. And, as everybody else has said, aim for slightly slower than what he is likely capable of. But he's lots faster than I am, much better trained, it seems more like a question of whether he is going to be able to redline it and feel good about leaving it all on the course. If not, take it slow and enjoy a nice long training run with people there to take care of food and water that normally you would have to figure out yourself. My take on it, for what it's worth. But then I just enjoy being out there with a bunch of other runners. Hard to scrape enough people together to have a race of any length where I live...

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by nike84:
Hi Dan; In reply to your question long runs of 2hours
lots of 5k/10k races and a race of 15k/10 miles
plus a half marathon. I was in sub 31:00 shape. The mileage was around 75-80 mpw mostly 10k type training, but with long runs of 2 hours -it worked pretty well. I found that if I did good quality mileage I could race pretty well off that mileage.
I ran a lot of my mileage on trails with lots of fartlek, 5-7 min reps at sub 5 pace. It worked pretty well and i ran some pretty decent times off that type of training.
I''ve run 100+ weeks and found I could get the same results from 80mpw. Bear in mind that I was mostly a 10k/cross country runner.

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Thanks.