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runnermom3005

5 posts since
Jan 3, 2005

Mar 18, 2006 3:50 PM

Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

Hey everyone,
Any thought's on Arthur's 100mpw training schedule, basically building up to this mileage in 10 weeks? Just curious!

cjk050

22 posts since
Mar 4, 2005

1. Mar 18, 2006 4:05 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

If you are under 40, adhere to the lsd method of training and take that day off when you feel you are over/training or tired, then it works both in weight loss and time gained in marathon results.

tigger077

691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999

2. Mar 18, 2006 5:33 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by runnermom3:
Any thought's on Arthur's 100mpw training schedule, basically building up to this mileage in 10 weeks? Just curious! <HR>

There's a major qualifier to the above. The runner should be able to do 1/4 effort (easy) runs at around 7:25 to 7:50 per mile. If you run slower you probably won't reach 100 mpw. I don't run that fast so I'll probably stick to no more than a dozen hours per week running. Here's my weekly results YTD.

Miles Tot Time Avg Pace Avg HR
49.1 8:16:20 0:10:06 147
41.9 7:07:30 0:10:13 145
47.9 8:02:08 0:10:04 147
45.0 7:37:41 0:10:10 143
55.4 9:17:33 0:10:03 145
52.2 8:46:17 0:10:05 142
44.4 7:33:33 0:10:13 139
58.2 9:41:46 0:10:00 142
53.1 8:47:47 0:09:57 141
70.0 11:23:12 0:09:46 142
44.8 7:08:05 0:09:34 144 (16 miles planned tomorrow)

Weight dropped from 215 to 208 over this period.

tigger077

691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999

3. Mar 18, 2006 5:35 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

****! Those numbers didn't come out very well after I sent it! Hope you can understand it.

WI MTP

461 posts since
Jan 7, 2006

4. Mar 21, 2006 9:58 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

Putting mileage on in chunks instead of the 10% rule is fine - If you are able to listen to your body. I think we all have a MPW that we can thrive at - It may take a few weeks of being tired for your body to adjust to it.

I do agree that it is not for really slow. I am slow enough - running recoveries @ 7:30 and easy 6:40-7:10 pace. If I remember correctly you are fast enought to go for it - Good luck.

To me 100 MPW difficulty depends on how you get to it.

I used to run 80-90 MPW in 6 days - 1 run per day. Running 7 days a week and 10-12 runs it is not that much harder to hit 120 MPW. The trick is sustainability - I ran 153 miles once in a week - that was not sustainable.

My goal is to get back to where I can run 120 MPW in 10 runs or less.

Good running-

runawayjesse

538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

5. Mar 22, 2006 3:19 AM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by runnermom3:
Hey everyone,
Any thought's on Arthur's 100mpw training schedule, basically building up to this mileage in 10 weeks? Just curious! <HR>

Where does he say build up to that mileage in 10 weeks?

tigger077

691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999

6. Mar 22, 2006 7:03 AM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

He may have said it somewhere but here's someone who knows what he said who said it.

http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/Special/LydiardInterpreted.htm[/URL" target="_blank">

runawayjesse

538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

7. Mar 22, 2006 11:05 AM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by tigger:
He may have said it somewhere but here's someone who knows what he said who said it.

http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/Special/LydiardInterpreted.htm[/URL" target="_blank"><HR>

That's just the way John Molvar interpret's it. He uses some kind defunked calculation pulled from different parts of different books. Lydiard does not say that in his books.

fredurie

1,979 posts since
Aug 21, 2002

8. Mar 22, 2006 11:08 AM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by WI MTP:
Putting mileage on in chunks instead of the 10% rule is fine - If you are able to listen to your body. I think we all have a MPW that we can thrive at - It may take a few weeks of being tired for your body to adjust to it.

I do agree that it is not for really slow. I am slow enough - running recoveries @ 7:30 and easy 6:40-7:10 pace. If I remember correctly you are fast enought to go for it - Good luck.

To me 100 MPW difficulty depends on how you get to it.

I used to run 80-90 MPW in 6 days - 1 run per day. Running 7 days a week and 10-12 runs it is not that much harder to hit 120 MPW. The trick is sustainability - I ran 153 miles once in a week - that was not sustainable.

My goal is to get back to where I can run 120 MPW in 10 runs or less.

Good running-<HR>

tigger077

691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999

9. Mar 22, 2006 1:46 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:
Lydiard does not say that in his books.

<HR>

I never said he did. However few people have as much knowledge of Lydiard as the people in the article.

runawayjesse

538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

10. Mar 22, 2006 2:53 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by tigger:
I never said he did. However few people have as much knowledge of Lydiard as the people in the article.<HR>

Agreed. I think Nobby disagrees with it though, as you may see in the article. I think he has worked with lydiard before too. Note also Molvar doesn't believe in the hill phase. What do you think about that? I don't recall Lydiard cutting out the hill phase in any of his books yet Molvar seems to think he does.

tigger077

691 posts since
Nov 19, 1999

11. Mar 22, 2006 3:34 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by runawayjesse:
Agreed. I think Nobby disagrees with it though, as you may see in the article. I think he has worked with lydiard before too. Note also Molvar doesn't believe in the hill phase. What do you think about that? I don't recall Lydiard cutting out the hill phase in any of his books yet Molvar seems to think he does.<HR>

I run hills all the time. In fact, all my outdoor runs are over very hilly terrain. Not running hills would be a disadvantage in my view.

I thought the discussion between them was very interesting but I got the sense that there was mutual respect and possibly even agreement, at least on the general principles by the end of the discussion.

bpj60609

35 posts since
May 17, 2005

12. Mar 23, 2006 10:37 AM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

"To me 100 MPW difficulty depends on how you get to it."

Precisely. 80 mpw on one run a day, 6 days a week can be pretty tough--you're really talking about 12 mile runs EVERY day, and one long run.

On the other hand, if you run twice a day for five days a week, and once a day the other two days, it's much easier to accumulate more miles. 9 mile runs in the morning, with 7 miles (alternating between easy and hard) in the afternoon, with a longer run on one of your one-a-days and an easy 6 or 7 on the other--that's what? 100-105, depending on how long your longer run is? And that's with only one run a week over an hour, and only three or so hard sessions scattered among 12 runs. Much easier than (probably) six runs over an hour, and two or three hard sessions over six runs.

runawayjesse

538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

13. Mar 24, 2006 11:35 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by bpj60609:
"To me 100 MPW difficulty depends on how you get to it."

Precisely. 80 mpw on one run a day, 6 days a week can be pretty tough--you're really talking about 12 mile runs EVERY day, and one long run.

On the other hand, if you run twice a day for five days a week, and once a day the other two days, it's much easier to accumulate more miles. 9 mile runs in the morning, with 7 miles (alternating between easy and hard) in the afternoon, with a longer run on one of your one-a-days and an easy 6 or 7 on the other--that's what? 100-105, depending on how long your longer run is? And that's with only one run a week over an hour, and only three or so hard sessions scattered among 12 runs. Much easier than (probably) six runs over an hour, and two or three hard sessions over six runs.<HR>

Lydiard would have you run 100mpw in singles. That is all at a strong aerobic effort. In addition to that he says "jog" as much as you can and that's where your second run would come in.

runawayjesse

538 posts since
Dec 14, 2007

14. Mar 24, 2006 11:38 PM

in response to: runnermom3005

Re: Arthur Lydiard's 100mpw training

quote:<HR>Originally posted by tigger:
I run hills all the time. In fact, all my outdoor runs are over very hilly terrain. Not running hills would be a disadvantage in my view.

I thought the discussion between them was very interesting but I got the sense that there was mutual respect and possibly even agreement, at least on the general principles by the end of the discussion.<HR>

But do you include a hill phase. That is with specific "hill bounding and springing", their is a difference.

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