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28 Replies Last post: May 21, 2006 10:05 PM by formationflier   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
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15. May 13, 2006 10:27 AM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
leitnerj wrote:

"I've got an
Olympic tri coming up next weekend, a half ironman a couple
weeks later, grandma's marathon the next week, and the vermont
100 miler a month later, so I don't have time to recover from
beating myself into the ground"

Geez LJ, you got stop being such a slacker.... :-)

For the record, I don't just believe in monitoring just pace, thats why I waer a HR monitor. But it's not just black and white, you can't just focus on one thing. One must be monitored one aspect in the context of the other. Your goal of breaking 3:15 (a 7:27 pace) and going pout at 6:40 is lost on me. I can't race that way. But hey, your happy so its all good.

So tell me, how does one get lost on a marathon course? Did a pack of you guys go off together?

Anyhoo, have a great weekend.
Best regards,
Greg
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16. May 14, 2006 9:46 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
quote:<HR>Originally posted by webfoot:
leitnerj wrote:

"I've got an
Olympic tri coming up next weekend, a half ironman a couple
weeks later, grandma's marathon the next week, and the vermont
100 miler a month later, so I don't have time to recover from
beating myself into the ground"

Geez LJ, you got stop being such a slacker.... :-)

For the record, I don't just believe in monitoring just pace, thats why I waer a HR monitor. But it's not just black and white, you can't just focus on one thing. One must be monitored one aspect in the context of the other. Your goal of breaking 3:15 (a 7:27 pace) and going pout at 6:40 is lost on me. I can't race that way. But hey, your happy so its all good.

So tell me, how does one get lost on a marathon course? Did a pack of you guys go off together?

Anyhoo, have a great weekend.
Best regards,
Greg
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Well, once again, if you go by level of effort, and not by pace,
it's irrelevant whether I'm running 6:40 or 7:50. My average heart
rate was a measly 154 over the first mile. There's certainly no
reason for it to be lower effort than that and there's no time to
waste in a marathon! It's totally aerobic, and certainly nothing
to pay for later. The early burnouts I've experienced all had to
do with running at too high of a level of effort early in the race,
sometimes just by taking the hills too hard and getting the
heart rate way up in the beginning. For these instances, I've
paid big penalties, but we're talking about a slowdown of 3, 4,
or 5 minutes per mile over the last 6-8 miles. So, let's say
there sizable hills at the beginning of the race, whether they
be up or down. Are you suggesting that you should still be
watching your pace and making sure that it's not too fast
or too slow (assuming you're wearing a HR monitor) and using
that to guide what you're doing? Even with the
extra distance my 1 mile race time (5:36) projects out quite
well to my marathon pace time, so I couldn't have been far
from my ultimate potential. If I were to use the time I crossed
26.2 miles (just over 3:10), then I actually beat the pace
calculator. Perhaps my mile time is a bit faster than my
last mile race from a couple of years ago, but I haven't done
a single lick of speedwork since then, so it would be hard
to conceive of any substantial improvement.

Now, it's really not hard at all to miss a turn on a marathon
course if there is no marking on the ground (at least that I
was able to see) and no marshall standing there to tell you
which way to go. In this case, there was about a 3 mile
loop that was added which started just after passing a
large school campus. When going out, we went CCW around
the campus and when coming back, I just assumed we would
return the way we came. However, it turned out that on the
return, we were supposed to continue the CCW path (around
the other side of the campus). Oh well.

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17. May 14, 2006 9:51 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tchuck:

Did my last long training run (11 miles) before my 1/2 marathon in 11 days. My goal is to run a 7:00 min. pace and finish under 1:32.00. Based on my training run below and associated HRs, do you think I can do it?


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All right, cough it up! How did it go?

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18. May 15, 2006 3:22 AM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
I second that motion !
Really interested to hear how Tchuck got on ??
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20. May 15, 2006 6:29 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
More time to do some careful analysis then to revise the
predictions!

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22. May 18, 2006 7:50 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
Do you mean before or during? I don't take in any carbs before
races, unless they are 50 miles or more (in which case I will take
them at least 3 hours before). I took no carbs before the four
marathons and two ultras I ran this year (but I did take in
sports drink during the races and I took one gel in two of the
marathons). I do eat a random variety of stuff in ultras.


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24. May 19, 2006 8:23 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tchuck:
Actually, I meant both. Not taking any in before 1/2 marathon or during the race????

More than likely though, I won't eat or drink carbs before but will sip a bit of Gatorade during the race. I don't think it matters with this distance if heat isn't a factor. Temp. at race time is expected to be mid to high 40s.

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I ran a marathon a couple of months ago that only provided ultima,
which has practically no carbs or calories. I took one gel at mile
17 and the temperature was 82 degrees about half way in, wide open
with no shade. Before that race, I hadn't run in a temperature over
about 50 in months. I passed the half at 1:36 and slowed in the
last several miles to finish in 3:29, but I can pretty much guarantee
that the slowing was due to the heat, not the carbs per se. I had
also run a 20 miler the day before and another marathon the week
before in 3:19, so there's a good chance that my carbs were low to
start. There's little doubt that you have solid aerobic fitness, so I'd
be surprised if you would be seriously affected by not taking any
carbs in your half.



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26. May 21, 2006 7:36 PM in response to: Tchuck
Re: 1/2 MARATHON PREDICTION based on this long training run
nice job and right in line with the predictions. congrats on the
great time. looks like you chickened out on the no carbs, huh?


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28. May 21, 2006 10:05 PM in response to: Tchuck
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tchuck:
Tinman (my coach) told me to set my alarm and consume 300 calories of carbs 3 hours before the race. He said I would perform better if I did this. So I did, No Complaints - felt great!

He also felt I could have possibly performed 1 min. faster if not for the wind????

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wind could easily cut a minute or more from a half, just like big hills.


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