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Click to view WI MTP's profile Legend 461 posts since
Jan 7, 2006
30. Jul 24, 2006 8:21 AM in response to: Southern Man
Don't make 1/2 my mileage your goal this week - It is a screw off week - The zoo, the water park, camping - I'll get miles in, but a lot less - My 2 fall marathons are:

Fox Cities (September)- Home town - Can sleep in my bed and its 5 minutes to the start.

Las Vegas (December) - Its Vegas baby - My wife and my 1st vacation without kids (6 years) - as long as I am there I though I would go for a long run
Click to view Travis Hubbard's profile Pro 101 posts since
Jan 23, 2003
31. Jul 24, 2006 8:31 AM in response to: Southern Man
M ? 3mi after work in 16.54 with a 2.29(!) ½ split. Little stiff, so was surprised about the pace. Have a slight ?pinch? in my right shoulder area?unable to any pushups

T ? 40min country run. Pushed the pace a little from the start?think it pressed me more mentally. I think I was flat b/c lack of food all day too. Ate a huge dinner.

W ? DNR. Decided about 230pm to bag today?s run. It?s ~110? heat index this afternoon, and on top of that my right inner hamstring is tight and I?m feeling a bit ?off? the last couple of days.

R ? 40min trail run with 2x5min (2r) and 1x90sec. It cooled off a little, 95?, stiff in the beginning of the run, but felt good picking up the pace. Did 40min of pool work in the afternoon. Felt good.

F ? rest

S ? 2m trial in 11.34. wuc/d=5miles

S ? 75mins felt terrible

*pretty crappy week...low mileage...heat...this week has to be better...
Click to view dcv2002's profile Legend 260 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
32. Jul 24, 2006 9:23 AM in response to: Southern Man
Down week for me. First time for 3 consecutive 50+ weeks. I have run 11 consecutive days also. I have my first long run on Thursday coming up (18.7 mi).

Sun - 6mi @ 8:37
Mon - 2mi wu @ 8:37, 5k Race (21:15, 6:50) (It was 90, 50% humidity at race time, decided not to push it).
Tue - 7.05mi @ 8:36
Wed - 7.05mi @ 8:32
Thu - 7.05mi @ 8:28
Fri - 3.2k @ 8:32, 5x1200m (1min Rest) @ 6:52, 11.6k @ 8:24 pace
Sat - 6mi @ 8:36

Tot: 51.2 miles @ 8:19
3 Week Tot: 160.9
Weight: 167.57 (-1.60 lb)

I am running the New York Marathon, because I simply want to run a marathon (don't know if I want to run more than one), and since NY is about 1.5 hours away, I thought that would be the best. Plus you can't better running in the best city in the world.
Click to view kudzurunner's profile Legend 523 posts since
Dec 6, 2007
33. Jul 24, 2006 11:48 AM in response to: Southern Man
Great week for me, capped off by N. Mississippi's nicest Sunday AM running weather in a long time: 65 degrees with a gentle breeze.

Ran my first 20-miler since 1983 yesterday morning, in 3:04:04 (9:12 pace), which is also the longest training run, time-wise, that I've ever taken. I learned the value of relaxed--in this case, very relaxed--early pacing.

7.5 miles @ 9:40 pace (HR 133 / 67%)
12.5 miles @ 8:55 pace (HR 156 / 78%)

Felt stronger after three hours than I did after one. (No gels, no Gatorade, no pre-run food. Only water.) Last five miles at 8:20 pace. I'll take it!

So I'm good to go for the Tupelo Marathon on 9/3. I'll run one more 20-miler, plus 19, 18, 15-16, and 8 (Sunday before).

56 miles for the week.
Click to view RTCRUNR's profile Legend 396 posts since
May 25, 2002
34. Jul 24, 2006 11:49 AM in response to: Southern Man
Well, I returned to running this week after 5 weeks off thanks to a metatarsal problem. I'm still hoping for a fall marathon, but I'll just have to see how things progress. I'm definitely way behind where I need to be now. If things go well, I'd still like to go to Philly. A friend of mine and I both chose it due to its reputation for being a fast course. If my comeback doesn't go as well as I'd like, I'll either postpone my race to December and do Charlotte or Rocket City, or I'll scrap it altogether and just try to run a solid half marathon somewhere. Anyway, here goes not much of anything:

Mon - PM: 1.5
Tue - PM: 2.5
Wed - PM: 3.5
Thu - PM: 4 (quads sore, not surprising but pretty pathetic)
Fri - PM: 4.5
Sat - rest
Sun: AM: 5 (best run of the week)

Total: 21 miles

***Note: I threw in a little walking and other cross-training in addition but didn't really log any of it
Click to view Lofcaudio's profile Pro 66 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
35. Jul 24, 2006 11:51 AM in response to: Southern Man
I am now 14 weeks away from the Marine Corps Marathon. I chose the Marine Corps due to its size and popularity. I've only run one marathon before and that was last year's Chicago Marathon and I enjoyed the size and the crowds, so I hope to replicate that experience in a different venue.

This was my highest mileage week ever and I did it while on vacation in the South.

S: 6 miles recovery
M: 11.12 miles (6 x 1200m at I pace)
T: 6 miles recovery
W: 15 miles
Th: 6 miles recovery
F: 18 miles
S: 10 miles

Total: 72.1 miles

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Click to view kudzurunner's profile Legend 523 posts since
Dec 6, 2007
36. Dec 20, 2007 9:51 PM in response to: Southern Man
On the question of Maffetone:

It's a quirky program that has worked very well for some runners. Your age and max HR are used to find a "Maffetone HR" that you are then, under pain of failed conditioning, charged with not exceeding. It's designed to keep you in a fat-burning zone, the better to train your aerobic system. It's particularly good, as far as I can tell, for two kinds of runners:

1) beginning or inexperienced marathoners who haven't accumulated many aerobic miles; for these runners, the MAF HR is a great way of building a solid base and keeping enthusiasm and a desire to run fast from leading to too-fast running too close to threshold--which is to say, Maffetone prevents overtraining

2) triatheletes and ultramarathoners: people whose race-durations demand that they put out a solid aerobic effort for 4-8 hours and more.

Maffetone is less useful, as far as I can tell, for experienced marathoners who've already accumulated a large base after years of training, as well as 5K/10K racers for whom fat-burning isn't quite the priority that it is for ultramarathoners.

Maffetone training disagrees in fundamental respects with certain aspects of other respected training methods--in particular, Lydiard, Hadd, Kellogg, and Pfitzinger, all of whom encourage not just Maff-style LSD training, but a balance of faster aerobic paces, during a base-building phase.

In my case, my Maffetone HR is 138, or what turns out to be 70%. I run my four recovery runs a week at that HR or below. I began the summer by trying to hew to my Maff HR on the other three longer runs; during one hilly 8-miler on a humid morning, I stopped 15 times to let my HR drop below 138. Then I decided to move on and work with my own variation of the other four training philosophies mentioned above, and I've had a far more enjoyable summer, injury-free, that seems to have put me in great shape.

What has stuck with me from my flirtation with Maffetone--apart from the easy recovery jogs, which have always been part of my repertoire--is new respect for the easier effort-ranges. I run the first half hour of my midweek runs (1:20 - 1:30 in duration) somewhat easier now than I used to, giving my system a chance to warm up, rather than pushing at least moderately from the get-go. I don't worry nearly as much about the cumulative pace of my runs; some of my long runs, with a pal, have been quite a bit slower than I used to run them solo. An hour and a half into yesterday's three-hour run, averaging my Maff HR--i.e., 70%, rather than 75% or 78% or whatever I used to do--I truly did feel tireless. That's the whole point of Maff training, and it's a good one.

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Apr 23, 2003
37. Jul 24, 2006 12:15 PM in response to: Southern Man
Hello All,

I am training for the Marine Corp Marathon as my first marathon. I am aiming for a 3:45 time.

Week 4 of training

Mon: Rest

Tue: 3.93 miles (8:58 pace)

Wed: Went to Revolution vs Celitc soccer game and missed night run.

Thur: 5.35 miles (8:30 pace)

Fri: Rest

Sat: 1 mile warmup (9:30 pace)
Seacoast Seven (7 Mile Race) 54:46 (7:49 pace)

Sun: 4.70 miles (9:00 pace)

I picked this race because of the freinds we have in the area and I had never been to DC before.

~Troy

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Click to view benlinkous's profile Amateur 12 posts since
Jun 18, 2006
38. Jul 24, 2006 3:02 PM in response to: Southern Man
Thanks Kudzu. I fall into the inexperienced marathoner category. I know I started out way too hard a couple months ago and my body was going to shut down if I didn't slow down. I plan on doing strides at the end of a couple runs a week. In a couple months I will add more of the LT runs but I need to concentrate now on building a base injury free. That is why I feel it works for me. Thanks again KudzuRunner.
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Oct 20, 2004
39. Jul 24, 2006 6:49 PM in response to: Southern Man
A horrible week for me. Of the six days I normally run, I only got three in. After last weekends super hot and fast run on Saturday, a day of roofing in 90+ degree heat, a bike ride, and then Sundays 14 miler in 85+ degree heat, my legs were toast. I just couldn't get my legs back under me. So I took Wednesday off, and ran a bit longer on Thursday, too Friday off and ran short on Sunday. I feel ok this week, but I have a half marathon on the weekend that I don't want to be burnt out for (going for a PR). So the week went as such:

m-off
t-5
w-off
th-10
f-4
s-off
s-8

I'm running Detroit because its my hometown mary and this year will be 25 years since my dad ran his one and only there. I still have his souvenir shirt and even though it is cotton, and I know that its a big no no, I think I'm going to wear it. If I wore something technical under it, do you think I'd be better off?
Click to view VeganPride's profile Amateur 21 posts since
Sep 17, 2004
40. Jul 24, 2006 7:46 PM in response to: Southern Man
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RTCRUNR:

Mon - PM: 1.5
Tue - PM: 2.5
Wed - PM: 3.5
Thu - PM: 4 (quads sore, not surprising but pretty pathetic)
Fri - PM: 4.5
Sat - rest
Sun: AM: 5 (best run of the week)

Total: 21 miles

***Note: I threw in a little walking and other cross-training in addition but didn't really log any of it
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RTC- Just wondering if you were able to do any cross-training (bike, elliptical, pool, etc.) over the last 5 weeks? It is very instructive to me that an accomplished runner such as yourself is coming back so gradually. I am just now learning (i.e. forcing myself) to come back slowly from injuries after a series of false starts. Thanks for posting...

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May 25, 2002
41. Jul 25, 2006 9:50 AM in response to: Southern Man
quote:<HR>Originally posted by VeganPride:
RTC- Just wondering if you were able to do any cross-training (bike, elliptical, pool, etc.) over the last 5 weeks? It is very instructive to me that an accomplished runner such as yourself is coming back so gradually. I am just now learning (i.e. forcing myself) to come back slowly from injuries after a series of false starts. Thanks for posting...
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I was able to do a little cross training, but unfortunately I wasn't able to do much. Because of the pressure put on the foot, the bike and elliptical weren't good options. The pool probably would have worked ok, but I don't really have easy access to one and I really just decided to take the whole thing as an opportunity to relax a little while and recharge my batteries. I do think someone who is accustomed to running fairly high mileage can come back quicker than most, and I'll probably have a significant increase this week. However, regardless of your experience, the key is to listen to your body and shut down quickly if you get signs of needing to do so.
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Dec 14, 2007
42. Jul 25, 2006 8:38 PM in response to: Southern Man
Fairly light week for me, 38 miles. (Thur & Fri I got stuck at the office.)

Mon: 7mi (hills), 8:30 pace
Wed: 9mi 7:40 pace
Sat: 8mi 7:30 pace
Sun: 14mi 8:30 pace

Bay State Marathon is only 12 weeks away, yikes!
Click to view VeganPride's profile Amateur 21 posts since
Sep 17, 2004
43. Jul 25, 2006 10:12 PM in response to: Southern Man
quote:<HR>Originally posted by RTCRUNR:
I was able to do a little cross training, but unfortunately I wasn't able to do much. Because of the pressure put on the foot, the bike and elliptical weren't good options. The pool probably would have worked ok, but I don't really have easy access to one and I really just decided to take the whole thing as an opportunity to relax a little while and recharge my batteries. I do think someone who is accustomed to running fairly high mileage can come back quicker than most, and I'll probably have a significant increase this week. However, regardless of your experience, the key is to listen to your body and shut down quickly if you get signs of needing to do so.<HR>


Good tips, and best of luck with your training!
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Jul 30, 2006
44. Jul 27, 2006 7:22 PM in response to: Southern Man
Southern Man
Sign me up to the thread please. I have been following your weekly logs since the beginning and feel inspired to add my training.
Goal - 12/10 - Dallas White Rock; 3:05 goal time - Should be achievable, have been running several years and progressing steadily. Recovering from knee surgery, and have been building mileage steadily throughout the year! Plan to start 18/55 from Pfitz shortly

Weekly Mileage last week:
39 miles
T=8
W=5.5
R=8
F=OFF
S=5.5 (8*100 strides)
Sun=12 (7.15pc w group)