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27 Replies Last post: Aug 27, 2006 4:04 PM by GreenMan093   Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
Click to view bigapplepie's profile We're Not Worthy 2,636 posts since
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15. Aug 23, 2006 11:58 AM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
Phidippides ran shoeless and naked without food and water. Now that's "old school"
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16. Aug 23, 2006 12:13 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
My first marathons were in the late 1970s, with several in the 80s and early 90s. I remember Gookinaid but it never sat well in my stomach. Bananas, coffee, water before, maybe an English muffin if a late morning race, and just water during.

Gels did not exist (that I knew of) in the early days of my running career. I still have not tried them and I suspect I would have a hard time tolerating during a race. I know some people used defizzed coke etc.

Tapers were usually a week, not three. It all seemed to work ok at the time, but of course I was much younger then .

Most of my marathons back then were in the 3-3:10 range, with a couple near 2:55.

I still don't wear a Garmin or HRM and use my watch only for a very general sense of timing and to make sure I get home on time. I should probably be more scientific but there is a certain freedom in lack of gear.
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17. Aug 23, 2006 12:15 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
If you really want to be Old School, then wear a pair of these:

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18. Aug 23, 2006 12:54 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
I'll leave all the scientific evidence backing the benefit of gels during a marathon out of the discussion. From a purely personal viewpoint: I think they are a great aid. I usually take my first gel around 12 miles and then again at 17 and 22.Also, I alternate water and gatorade at aid stations.I've run quite a few marathons and it has worked better for me than water alone.
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20. Aug 23, 2006 2:39 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
quote:<HR>Originally posted by bigapplepie:
Phidippides ran shoeless and naked without food and water. Now that's "old school" <HR>


I think I'll try that one in my next marathon, thanks for the inspiration!
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21. Aug 23, 2006 6:45 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
I thought Phidippides also dropped dead after completing the run and delivering the message.
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22. Aug 25, 2006 5:16 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
I had Nike Elites once too. In High school, lots of runners had the first round of waffle trainers. Nikes dont fit me anymore, alas, and I think quality has declined.
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23. Aug 26, 2006 4:53 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
quote:<HR>Originally posted by KudzuRunner:
I've decided to make my forthcoming marathon--two weeks away, my first in 23 years--a trip down memory lane, which is to say: coffee and water only, with perhaps a few pieces of dried fruit a couple of hours before the 5 AM start. No gels, no sport drinks.
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I think the reason why marathon runners are slower in average nowadays is that marathon races are a lot more popular nowadays. There are a lot of people training for it. In the past, only "good" runners participated but now with the prevalence of information on the web/magazines/books, most "ordinary" runners can try one.

I never have the patience to do a 20 mile training run so I don't plan on doing a marathon any time soon. Do people take gel for 1/2 Marys? I think it may not be necessary.



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24. Aug 26, 2006 8:35 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
quote:<HR>Originally posted by DanMoriarity:
I think I'll try that one in my next marathon, thanks for the inspiration! <HR>


Please post where and when!

Only I think pinning on the race number could be a problem....

Seriously, Kudzu, whatever you decide to do/drink/eat on marathon day, I wish you a successful race! I am someone who sympathizes with those who are said to "overthink" things.

As for taking gels and such, I know of some pretty fast ppl who pop some of them and seem to be happy they did.

While I'm not sure how helpful my experience will be to you, fwiw... For a long time, I didn't take gels, thinking why spend the money on what seems like a gimmick and a gimmick that leaves my hands all sticky...

Then in a marathon training group I'd joined, the coach asked everyone if they'd brought gels. When I said I hadn't, that I tended not to use them, he suggested I try them, and gave me a couple. I have to admit, they did give me a little more energy and the run did, in fact, go better. Now I'll use them for runs longer than, say, 2-2 1/2 hours (depending on how I feel during the run and what I ate beforehand). As for sticky hands... well, that's what the water I'm carrying is for (oh and also to drink)!

Again, have a good race, whatever you decide to eat/drink/not eat/not drink!
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25. Aug 27, 2006 3:20 AM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
quote:<HR>Originally posted by gcklo:
I think the reason why marathon runners are slower in average nowadays is that marathon races are a lot more popular nowadays. There are a lot of people training for it. In the past, only "good" runners participated but now with the prevalence of information on the web/magazines/books, most "ordinary" runners can try one.<HR>


True dat. My first was the 1980 Wichita Marathon; it had a few hundred runners IIRC. All but three came in under 5 hours. Nowadays in most races, it seems the middle of the pack is in the mid-4s.

BTW that 1980 race had Gatorade at a number of stations.

quote:<HR>I never have the patience to do a 20 mile training run so I don't plan on doing a marathon any time soon. Do people take gel for 1/2 Marys? I think it may not be necessary.<HR>


I don't know anyone who does.


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27. Aug 27, 2006 4:04 PM in response to: kudzurunner
Re: notes from the Old School: gel-less marathoning
quote:<HR>Originally posted by KudzuRunner:
Too, since Gatorade is something I drink after every summer run, I see no reason not to drink it when it's offered, beginning at the halfway point.<HR>


I strongly recommend trying this in a training run before race day. I found out in that 'thon in 1980 that although I can have Gatorade before or after a race with no problems, drinking it during a run gives me stomach cramps. Same with most other sport drinks and several brands of gel; I think it depends on what sugars it has in it and how they interact with my body's metabolism.

Most people can take in Gatorade during a race just fine, so you're probably OK, but if I were you I'd make sure beforehand.


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