I note that they didn't have anything like this for men - not sure from your screen name whether you're male or female. My husband was actually irriated about that because he wanted something similar.
It was really just dumb luck that I found them. I'd joked with hubby in the car (listening to Born to Run) that I was gonna go buy a pair of Keds for running
I am so happy to see this conversation taking place. I have been a runner for 20+ years and have developed Plantar FaSciitis in my right foot and IT band pain in my left knee. I recently purchased the Vibram Five Finger shoes and started slowly. The most amazing thing happened the first time I wore them, I started slowly as suggested and ran only on grass. My first time out, I was thinking I would just go until I felt my same old pains in my knee and foot. I was running on grass and after about 30 minutes I realized I had runn over 3 miles, so I stopped - Crazy I thought, I usually start to feel pain at about a mile or so. It was so much fun running with my toes free and feeling the grass, a really enjoyable run. It has been about a month and I am up to 5 miles now and can run on pavement. With 2 races coming up this month, I thought I should adjust to the harder surface. I will say that I have not felt any pain with the exception of muscle soreness as my calfs adjusted, but no more ITB or PF. Also - I found an easy way to clean the shoes. Us a bit of baking soda and some Woolite. I just wash mine in the sink once a week and set them outside to dry.
thanks for your post. I'm a girl. Joey is a family nickname that has stuck since I was 3. I went out and bought the same shoes as you at Target. Mine are brown
the only color they had (I would have preferred your gray!). Tried them out today and did 3 easy miles. Comfyno stiffness and no soreness after. what a deal at $24.99! I like independent running shops but will never pay for those pricey running shoes again that are supposed to "correct" your natural gait.
If they only made VFF without the toe thingys...maybe they could be Vibram no fingers...or Vibram mittens!
Ha! Mine are brown too - they only looked gray because I run on dusty gravel roads! There is another brand that makes a similar shoe to the five fingers without individual toes. They're called Feelmax, but I have no idea if they're available in the US yet. Check out http://www.feelmax.fi/.
Yeah!! I know about Feelmax and almost ordered a pair from ?Switzerland? Can't remember where they're from. I looked them up after reading about them on Barefoot Ted's website. I am excited about them coming. Decided to wait till they get here and hope the cost is a little less, but probably won't be. Supposed to be October, I think. Thanks for thinking of me about them. Can't believe your "Targets" are actually brown, too. Ha! Rock on...
Feelmax are available in the US. I bought one from this online retailer - just got it yesterday: http://www.extremeoutfitters.us/feelmaxniesa.aspx
I paid $80 + shipping. I order it 1.5 sizes smaller than my running shoe. I havent run in it yet but feel that it may be a little tight; either that or I am use to the roominess of my running shoes.
I was planning to integrate some Feelmax running into my schedule this month, but I changed plans. I am going for some huge miles this month (for me) and do not want to throw a wrench into it. So Feelmax running will have to wait till next month.
I just read the book a few days ago. I also finished C25K a few days ago.
I wrote about this over on the C25K forums when I graduated, I'll just copy it here because what i wrote deals with the book, running barefoot and minimalist shoes
I began working out in January, was getting in pretty good health, but
running is something I could never do, not even when I was young. I
love to bike, and I enjoy my gym workouts, but I wanted to both do
something I could do anywhere without any equipment and something that
I'd never been able to do: run.
When I began C25K on July 6th, I
could not run a block. But i knew that many other people had done this
program and that they had succeeded, and so I set out to do it exactly.
I printed it out and put it on my fridge.
Now I am fortunate to
have in my family a triathlete. My stepdad is 69 years old and still
swim-bike-runs them, and he wins his age group almost all the time. He
is an avid health freak and was really excited that I decided to do
this. He found, a couple of years ago, a philosophy of running called
POSE - similar in some ways to Chi Running, Evolution Running - a
barefoot philosophy with some other bio-mechanical theories and
So I figured *since I had never been a runner and had
no bad habits to unlearn, that i might as well start off with POSE. I'd
read the book, I watched a video, I did weeks 1 on a football field,
barefoot*. Liked it. I asked my stepdad to join me once during week 2
to help me work on my stride, tempo, form and so on, which he did. It
was very helpful.
The following week I moved onto the rubberized
track that ran around the field. At this point I wanted shoes so *I
borrowed my daughter's Puma H streets which are pretty much a thin
strip of leather on the bottom*, as close to barefoot as I could get
without going to the Vibram 5 Fingers.
I followed the program
exactly, never running less, never running more, always doing the 5
minute warmup walk and adding a 5 minute cooldown walk as well.
an aside here, once distances were offered in the plan (week 3), I used
those instead of time. I figured my point was to get to 5K, not 30
minutes, and since I don't own a watch and I had this track available,
it was much easier to measure distance than time anyway. (I didn't find
out about the podcasts until week 6). So I ran it as 1/4 run, 1/8 walk
I went on a family vacation to central Oregon during week 4
and my dad helped me find a local trail with KM markers. I ran two runs
there, joined my my daughter and brother. Despite the crazy heat, those
were good runs. I also got to do a lot of hiking and realize how much
more fit i was becoming...a mile and a half, up and down mountains was
not only doable, it was enjoyable.
When I arrived at week 5 I
did the track the first two days. Looking at the third day's straight
no-walk run, I decided it was time to hit the street...or bike path,
anyway. I was a little nervous about my minimalist shoe style and how it would
adapt to asphalt, concrete, pavement. My stepdad assured me that my
running barefoot and nearly so had been strengthening my feet and that
I could run on hard surfaces without padded shoes...but never having done it, I was
nervous. I had decided on a real 5K to run and it was on the street,
so I knew I had to get out there at some point.
So I pulled up
Google Earth and mapped myself a 2 mile run. I did my warmup walk to my
start point, set my water down in someone's yard, and set out. I won't
lie, it was hard...mainly because in my head I knew I'd have no walk
breaks. But i did it, and it was one of the most satisfying runs
ever...because to me it was a "real" run.
Also, my feet did fine. *To
this point I've been injury-free...except for after the Oregon runs
when I was forced to wear shoes with a significant cushy sole (as my
daughter was running with me and she wore her own that I'd been
borrowing). I got some hip pain from those runs that did eventually go
away...but whenever I've run in the "running" shoes, it returns.* I've
since learned more about why that is, and will be getting my own shoes,
I just need to make a decision about one of two kinds. Anyway...
6, 7 and 8 had some good runs and some tough runs. Sometimes it was
really hot (it was August) and sometimes I caught a cool evening. I
learned to map runs with lots of shade if I had to run in the daytime.
Sometimes I mapped myself a run that turned out to be much hillier than
i thought....but I did them. I let myself walk for a few seconds on
those....and that got me through. After those I returned to a couple
of favorite routes, flat
I did the first run of week 9 and it
was hard. Really hard, not fun. Here i am so close to the end that I
can feel it, and it's gotten harder. And now I've gone and signed up
for a 5K...I HAVE to do this. Enter labor day weekend and a camping
event, music, friends, drinks...I took 5 days off.
Wednesday, I did W9D2 and it was FUN! I added the .1 miles to my 3
mile run so I could actually do a 5K and I DID it! Man, that was a
high.I did it in 38:55 - almost a 13 minute mile pace but I didn't
care...I ran it all and I knew I could do the real race in a week and a
In the meantime *I'd requested a book from my library
called "Born to Run" by Christopher McDugal, and it came in yesterday.
I picked it up and started reading it at 8PM last night. I read it all
the way through, couldn't put it down, finished it around 2AM.I knew I
had to finish today - not this evening (when i prefer to run - never
been a morning person) But this morning. The love of running that
comes through in that book made me excited.*
*So I got up and put
on my duds and realized my daughter was wearing "our" shoes. Wow. I
really didn't want to run in the puffy running shoes. But that seemed
like an excuse to me this morning, it was too important to me to go
on and finish the program...so I put them on and set out on the same route I did Wednesday.*
was harder,* *I could feel the muscles of my foot trying to feel the
ground through the soles and not getting the feedback they wanted*, but
I did not let that stop me. I just ran. When I got to a sunny part of
the path, I ran faster, back in the shade i slowed down. I ran as fast
as I could the last hundred yards, to where my water was stashed, and
then I ran past it, just a bit, to add the .12 miles I needed to call
my 3 mile run a 5K.
And i finished.
I have my 5K race on
9/19 - next Saturday. I will use my daughter's shoes for that, then I
will either get a pair of those for myself or go "all the way" and get
the Vibram Five Fingers. Not sure yet. But i know I don't want to run
in the thick soled running shoes anymore.
Do I LOVE running? I
don't know. There are times I feel good when I'm doing it and times I
do not. I always feel a huge sense of accomplishment when i finish a
run, for sure. I love what it has been doing to my body...muscles have
popped out in places I didn't know they were there. I can hike, I can
run, I can do a lot of things that were hard for me, or even
impossible, before this experience. I love that I set a goal and
worked towards it and accomplished it.
I love that I have
options open to me now....do I want to become a One Hour Runner? Do I
want to go for a half marathon? Do I want to work on my swimming
technique so I can do a triathlon? Do I want to keep biking and working
out and simply run 3 miles a couple of times a week?
I don't know yet. But it feels great to be able to consider the possibilities, and know I can do any of them if I choose.
So thanks, C25K, you have been an empowering experience.
I do today what you won't, so tomorrow I do what you can't.
just got vff kso's and love em - right outta of the box have done some long run (a 16 and 15 miler) - no knee pain whatsoever - when i was running with my mizuno 'speciality' shoes for overpronaters i could go 100 yards before major pains set in - these things are awesome - awesome fun too - never enjoyed my runs as much as i do now - anyway - just my 2 cents - only negative has been my pace slow down but that is due to the learning curve with these guys - imo - you use new muscles and there is some stiffness and soreness - but i feel like i get stronger with every run - and running w/o pain is great - do they look goofy - well heck yes - but for me - it only adds to their attraction - i have the black kso and the blue camo kso (my fav)
edit: the author is in montclair this weekend at a running store - i cant make it as my dtr has soccer match but i would go otherwise - i recently went to nyc to see dean karnazes - was cool to see him in person even though all he really did was tell the same stories from his books
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I loved the book! As a slightly overweight newbie who will probably never run an ultra anything, the book inspired me to begin jogging/running mindfully and concentrate on my form. I had plantar fascia from new shoes, and instead of listening to the doc, I walked/jogged sock footed and it automatically changed my form. No more plantar fascia. I'm also addicted to chia seeds.
Just finished reading this book last week. Great book, read it in three days. I couldnt put the thing down. Im training for my 1st marathon and it was the perfect motivater. Its a must read for any runner, no matter how much you run.
In which it turned me to Vivram Five Fingers. Found them at REI and cant keep them off. Havent run with VFF though, Im enjoying just walking im them.
My wife gave me the book Born To Run book as a Christmas gift.What a awsome book! I have read it twice. Anybody that can read this book and not just have a sudden desire to go outside and start running must not be a real runner!
I know this is an old thread, was glad to have found it... I (like everyone else) loved the book.. Was considering buying Vib's until I learned on this thread about the feelmax. Now I'm undecided which to try first? I am a little reluctant to buy shoes on-line unless they are shoes I have and know the exact size. I read somewhere that REI carries the vib's so I can go try a pair on and get the right fit-And who knows maybe REI now carries the feelmax as well. Anyone know a major sporting goods line that has both? Anyone run in both?
Planned Races (so far)
June 06, 2010 - RNR Half Marathon- San Diego
Jan. 16, 2011 - PF Chang RNR Marathon- Phoenix
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BQ in 2011
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