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4592 Views 8 Replies Latest reply: Dec 31, 2010 4:47 PM by trailshare
Gale Bernhardt Legend 73 posts since
Jun 12, 2007
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Sep 21, 2009 1:57 PM

Horse shoes and poop on the trails

In recent weeks, I've encountered several displeased hikers, runners and trail maintenance volunteers that are unhappy (very, very unhappy in some cases) with how horse owners treat/share the trails with others. (Before you horse owners get prickly about this, know that I am a former horse owner.)

 

1) Should horses that share public trails be required to be shod with rubber shoes (rather than steel) to reduce the wear and tear on the trails?

2) Should horses be required to either wear tail bags that catch all of the poop, or at minimum, should horse owners be required to dismount a horse and push his or her horse's poop off the main trail so trail hikers, runners, kids and mountain bike riders aren't forced to wear said horse's poop in some form or another?

 

What do you think?

  • MissMarlene Amateur 28 posts since
    Jan 20, 2008
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    1. Sep 21, 2009 1:58 PM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    No one likes to run in poop, have em move it at least!





     

  • Dave Newman Amateur 8 posts since
    Jan 8, 2008
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    2. Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

     

    I don't know about the rubber shoes, but I think that if we ask dog owners to clean up after their pets, we should also ask horse owners to clean up after their steeds.

     

     

    The main trail damage I have observed due to horses comes when horseback riders ride on wet trails, leaving deep divots in the mud, which later dries and hardens, preserving the divots for a long time. I don't think rubber shoes would help with this, but I don't really know.

     

     

    Horse poop seems to me to be as unsanitary as dog poop, and a lot harder to get around without stepping in it or riding through it. I think it also potentially puts non-native plants into the environment, depending on the source of the feed the horses are getting. So if the justification for asking dog owners to clean up their dog's deposits is sanitation and damage to the environment, as I have heard, then it seems the same justification warrants asking horse owners to clean up thier horses' deposits.

     

     

    Personally, I think a bigger issue is safety. When I encounter a rider on a well-trained horse on the trails, I am not worried about my own safety. However, I have met poorly-trained horses on the trail, and I think they pose enough risk to other trail users that I am sometimes worried about my own safety when they are nearby. I have just enough experience with horses to be scared of what they can do, and to know that some horses are much better trained than others. I would be in favor of some kind of safety testing for horses and their riders to be sure that poorly-trained horses and inexperienced riders do not put other trail users at too great a risk.

     

     

  • trailshare Rookie 2 posts since
    Sep 30, 2009
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    3. Sep 30, 2009 6:33 PM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

         I both mountain bike ride & horseback ride. Never met a pile of poop that I couldn't go around or that stuck with me the duration of my ride. Give me a break!  Horse riders can't dismount and clean away every pile.

    Most riders would prefer not to have to ride bicycle trails but that is not an option sometimes.

    Get over it or ride trails that are not multiuse like those equestrians who can't tolerate bicycles on the trail.





    TRAILSHARE :)

  • aroma1 Rookie 5 posts since
    May 22, 2009
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    4. Sep 30, 2009 7:40 PM (in response to trailshare)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    Regardless of the poop and trail damage.  Horse owners and riders have extremely limited amount of public land that they have access to.  We are lucky to have some access at all to trails.  Yes we all need to be concious of not riding after rain.  I see as many bike wheel tracks along trails as i do horse shoe prints.  And with regards to the poop, after one rain shower the stuff is all but gone and its in the woods or fields.  Not in city park or your front lawn.  As you were saying about the less experienced riders, well hey we all cant be perfect.  As long as both bikers, riders, and runners/walkers know to be respectful of each other, especially when coming in close proximety then problems should be to a minimum.  Just remember its normally easier for you to move over/off the trail then for a horse to stay calm as you wiz bye on your bike. 

  • XTSport Rookie 3 posts since
    Apr 13, 2009
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    5. Oct 30, 2009 10:49 AM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    Rubber shoes aren't even an option for some horses. Shoe choice has nothing to do with its impact on the environment! It is done for the purpose of maintaining the horse's foot. You cannot require one method over another for using a horse in public any more than we can require you to choose natural runner shoes over trail runner shoes based on the impact it would have on the trail. I agree with the other poster that suggested we can only ASK that riders (of all kinds) not use the trails during or after rain (e.g. in the mud).

     

    As for poop... hell, we SELL the stuff. Count your blessings on a win for the day. Scoop the crap up in your doggy bag and throw it in your garden!

    ROFL

  • Longblades Rookie 2 posts since
    Nov 9, 2009
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    6. Nov 9, 2009 11:10 AM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    Horses enjoy historical rights of passage on some roads, let alone trails.  Check your local municipality's bylaws to see if yours still gives horses first rights of passage, over motorized vehicles even.  Horse shoes, as someone else pointed out, are for the maintenance of the hoof, so requiring rubber shoes just would not work for many.  But have you not noticed that some horses are not shod at all?  Depends on terrain and the horse and the ride.  While I agree that dog owners should clean up they are already on the ground.  For those meeting inexperienced horses and riders the last thing you want is for them to be dismounting.  Horses under riders are more in control.  It won't always be possible to tether the horse somewhere while shovelling and it is absolutely ridiculous to consider making riders carry shovels anyway.  Tail bags are equally ridiculous and apt to cause more problems with spooking than they solve with containing poop.  Horses should be exempt from silly rules on trail clean-up if for no other reason than that it could be more dangerous for all trail users to have shovels flopping and dismounted riders or tail bags causing spooking.

  • Beerpace Pro 157 posts since
    Jul 9, 2007
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    7. Dec 5, 2009 10:21 AM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    I usually worry more about unleashed dogs on the trail. If you can't dodge the occasional horse apple, then you probably cant dodge a rock or tree root either.

    Dogs chase, horse apples just sit there....

  • trailshare Rookie 2 posts since
    Sep 30, 2009
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    8. Dec 31, 2010 4:47 PM (in response to Gale Bernhardt)
    Re: Horse shoes and poop on the trails

    As a hiker, biker, horseback rider and trail volunteer, I think all users need to be more tolerant of other users and just enjoy the privilege of enjoying the outdoors. When hiking or biking I have surely had no problem avoiding horse deposits on the trail.  And all users should act courteously when meeting other users on the trail.  I do have a problem, though, with users who don't have dogs on leashes.

    As a trail volunteer, I would like to see more horse riders working toward trail maintenance. We all need to contribute to the trails that we use and I think it would promote more tolerance of equestrian users.





    TRAILSHARE :)

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