Hey Karl, do you use the sustained energy and perpetuem from Hammer? If so do you combine the two or do you use them in separate containers? I'm in the 190's lbs and just reading up on some of the stuff for my weight, I'll probably be in the 3 scoop per hour bracket.
I don't usually have problems with run of the mill cramping on my calves. Except in my 1st marathon, 12 years ago, I cramped badly after mile 23. I started out too fast, of course. I kept going by telling myself last marathon, HA! One of my problems was that an ITB issue kept me from training 3 weeks prior to the marathon. I didn't run once in 3 weeks. Fortunately, I had completed a 26 mile training run so I knew I could finish.
My understanding is dehydration causes basic cramps. Drink well and often. After a few races you'll know what you need.
Pain: advil, but I try not to overdo it.
Salt: I have noticed my fingers swelling mostly during hot/humid races. Some of the Gels contain minerals and I think gatorade endurance does too, but just to be safe, if I remember I'll carry 2-3 little salt packets and take 1 every 6-8 miles.
Water stops: I hit every one except maybe mile 25. I drink at least 8oz of energy drink. Toward the end of the race I'll sometimes drink 8oz of water too. I sweat more than most people. I'll easily lose 7 pounds in 1 hour on a hot summer day. I don't carry fluid unless I think the race won't be well supported.
A few years ago I was having trouble with tight cramps during cold races, sub 45 degrees. I was running 10 miles a day back then and PR'd. I started wrapping plastic bags around my calves to keep them warm prior to the race. After the first mile warm up I would pull them off. It seemed to help. Lately, I've noticed a few people, including Chuck Engle, wearing calf compression socks. Everyone I have talked to seems to like them.
I am still learning after 150 something marathons.
Good luck and Congrats on your finish.
First of all, congrats to all of you who finished the MCM this year! I ran it last year and had the same problem - I was having the race of my life when around mile 16 I started getting twitches in my calves that turned into full-blown cramps. Those cramps spread to my quads and shins as well. The clock says it all - 2:07 first half, 2:45 second half. I kept fighting it as I was desperate to beat my first marathon time of 4:45. I took ibuprofen before the race, which I later learned was a no-no. I thought I drank enough, but apparently not. My hands and lips felt swollen and itchy around mile 10, which I figured was an allergic reaction, but I'm not allergic to much. Anyway, I brushed it off, 'cause what was I going to do about it? I suppose what really happened was that my electrolyte balance was beginning to go at that point?
I'd like to thank all of you experienced marathoners who've contributed your advice and knowledge on this thread. I'm running the Richmond Marathon in two weeks - this will be my first since MCM last year, so I'm a little anxious about electrolyte balance. I'm afraid to try any new products at this point, since I don't have any long runs (>15 miles) left before the race, so my plan is this:
1) NO IBUPROFEN or any other medication before the race!
2) Gels at 10, 16 and 22 miles with water.
3) Powerade at all the other stops - 2 cups each time unless it gets to where it's just sloshing around in me.
4) Salt packets at 8, 14 and 20 unless I find pretzels along the way.
I've practiced this in my long runs except for the salt packets with no issues - but the only time I've ever had calf cramps during a run was the MCM. Is it possible that their Powerade mix is weaker than what's in the bottles?
I'll let you all know how it goes.
Hey Kyle, first off-- good luck on your Richmond marathon in two weeks. The responses to this tread have been great!!! I would also like to thank everyone who has provided guidance to my nemesis. I ran MCM last year and cramped up at the 20. Last year all I drank was water and used gels. Bad idea. This year I hit every wp and drank water and powerade with three gels. Bad idea #2. On my training runs before this years MCM, I trained with water and powerade in the bottles. Now the point that you brought up about the powerade on the coures, it did settle a little different to the bottled powerade I trained with.
Thanks to the responses from the experienced marathoners/runners, I now have various tricks/ supplements to employ for my next marathon.
Thanks to all !!!!
Congrats Drew...Maybe the Ravish One will join you in the future
Hey Ravish, let me know when you're ready to hit the pavement.
Hey Will, I just received my Clip and S-Caps. I used one packet of Clip 2 for a 1 hr 15 min run and it was my best to date. I was amazed, I felt like I could go for longer that what I had set out to go for. Thanks for your help! I'll use the s-caps for my longer runs.
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