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ColdForged Pro 66 posts since
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Nov 3, 2009 12:04 PM

Tuesday workouts

Only my second run since the MCM -- my first one last Wednesday was too soon, too long and too fast -- and it was quite a day for it. Warmed up to just under 70, beautiful sunshine. Did an interval day leading up to my late November official ramp to the Shamrock. I'm going with the FIRST program to see if I can meet some personal time goals. Since I'm outside the 16 weeks of the real plan I'm making up my own leadup. Today was 10 minute warmup followed by 5 x 800m with 4 minutes of recovery, then another 10 minutes of cooldown. I'm not good at judging my faster paces yet, so I went out faster than intended. Paces for splits were 6:58, 6:58, 6:54, 6:49, 6:51. Fast for me but too fast for the intended marathon pace I'm training for. I'll figure it out someday!

 

Anyone else?





2009 Marine Corps Marathon Finisher

Next Up: Shamrock Marathon (3/21/2010)

PersianP Legend 270 posts since
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1. Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM in response to: ColdForged
Re: Tuesday workouts

We ran 21 miles with my daughter, she is training for her first marathon San Antonio November 15th. She is having problems with IT band, So I am hopping we will finish the marathon!

DCtoPgh Community Moderator 2,928 posts since
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2. Nov 3, 2009 12:28 PM in response to: ColdForged
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Quick 5 miles. Crazy busy day. Lots to do. Late for everything (except my run!)   Spoke with Ray Zahab for a half hour this morning with lots of exciting news and possibilities for next year. Teaser: Things that start with "A" like advisory board and the Amazon! Will post more later.





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RunDaddyRunx4 Legend 1,010 posts since
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3. Nov 3, 2009 12:47 PM in response to: DCtoPgh
Re: Tuesday workouts

Did my usually 6 mile loop at lunch with a 7.38 pace.  Still having a hard time slowing down my pace.  I keep racing my watch, darn you Garmin.





Next up:  Huntsville 1/2 (11/14), Dizzy Fifties 50K trail (11/21), Rocket City Marathon (12/12), then Recover from the Holidays 50K(12/31)

dutch omi We're Not Worthy 4,513 posts since
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4. Nov 3, 2009 1:15 PM in response to: RunDaddyRunx4
Re: Tuesday workouts

Did 6 slow miles today, a very easy run.  9:50 pace.  Also abs and weights.

Kyle39 Pro 142 posts since
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5. Nov 3, 2009 1:17 PM in response to: ColdForged
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5 miles this morning as I taper toward Richmond next Saturday.  Last week I was cheated out of my last interval session by the good 'ol Swine Flu, so this morning I ran miles 2 and 4 real hard, if nothing else but to see if I'm fully recovered.  Mile 2 was one second slower than the fastest mile I've ever timed.  I'll take that as a yes!  Now I'm not so worried about the training I missed last week, which is good since it's a little late to make it up anyway.

dutch omi We're Not Worthy 4,513 posts since
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6. Nov 3, 2009 1:20 PM in response to: Kyle39
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Kyle, I'd say by this time you're trained!  Glad that the miles went as well as they did so you know you're healthy.  Good luck with Richmond, do post an RR.

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7. Nov 3, 2009 3:37 PM in response to: dutch omi
Re: Tuesday workouts

getting back into the swing before it gets cold around so I did 6 1/2 miles this morning under clear skies.....

 

have a Great night eveyone.

 

Dennis





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MikeDaMarine08 We're Not Worthy 2,363 posts since
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8. Nov 3, 2009 4:58 PM in response to: ColdForged
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4 easy miles for me tonight.  I am using Hal's 8 weeks between marathons plan to train for my first 50K in December.





Maple Leaf Half 08

Fleet Week Half 08

Marine Corps Historic Half 09

El Scorcho 25K 09

Patrick Henry Half 09

Rock 'N' Roll Half Virginia Beach 09

Philadelphia Distance Run 09

MCM 2009

Outer Banks Half 09

Richmond Marathon 09

Next Race - Cape Henry 10 Miler

lenzlaw Community Moderator 7,022 posts since
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9. Nov 3, 2009 5:47 PM in response to: MikeDaMarine08
Barefoot Tuesday workout

I did about 5 miles, including 6 hill repeats.  And 3 of those miles were barefoot, including the hill repeats.

 

I have to preface this by saying I have been very skeptical of the value of barefoot running.  I continue to be skeptical of many of the claims made by proponents. 

 

I started doing the hill repeats barefoot, figuring I could put the shoes on again at the end of any hill if it got uncomfortable.  I ended up doing all the hills, then running the mile and a half home carrying the shoes.  Very interesting.  It's not anywhere near the cure-all the barefoot proponents say it is.  I'm still a heel striker while barefoot.  More of a heel striker, if anything.  Downhills were particularly hard on the heels.  My aches and pains didn't disappear.  Actually, a couple new ones showed up - very mild, nothing to worry about.  It certainly seems to work on strengthening your feet.  It feels like you use your toes more to stabilize your stride.  Road surface made a noticable difference, the smoother the better, though even the rougher sections weren't bad.  Small stones were not a problem - that surprised me.  Worthwhile, all-in-all, though I don't know if I would do very many miles barefoot at this point.  It would be interesting to see if it makes a long-term difference in foot, and possibly leg, strength.

 

 

Len





We've come this far and it's still the same,
Runnin' out here in the rain.
Just one more mile, if only you could fly.
(Apologies to T. Rush and J. Tempchin, for the paraphrase)

KarlD_Navy84 Legend 736 posts since
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10. Nov 3, 2009 8:55 PM in response to: lenzlaw
Re: Barefoot Tuesday workout

Ten miles this evening for me.  Average pace 8:32.  Total finishing time 1:25:24.  It's safe to say that the only barefoot running I do will be hustling to answer the door bell from the family room.  Personally, I think that above a certain body weight, it can become problematic.  When I was growing up, I used to watch the Olympiad series hosted by Bud Greenspan.  I saw footage of Abebe Bekila from Ethiopia win a couple of marathon gold medals running barefoot.  He looked like he might have weighed 150 pounds or so.  His feet looked like they barely touched the ground.  And someone like Nita who may weigh 100 pounds dripping wet could perhaps find some value in giving it a try. On the other hand, I have a tough enough time hauling my 190 pound carcass around using a mid foot strike.  I experimented with a forefoot strike (wearing shoes) late last year, and I think my ankles and tendons just couldn't take the stress. It was probably one of the main reasons I injured my calf and tendon.  Now I am back to the more conventional mid foot strike (though I do think my heel barely touches first a fair amount of the time).  Things are back to normal, and I think I am back in the same ball park as last year as far as my speed and endurance are concerned.  Finally.  Talk to you soon.





Karl

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lenzlaw Community Moderator 7,022 posts since
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11. Nov 4, 2009 5:57 AM in response to: KarlD_Navy84
Re: Barefoot Tuesday workout

Karl,

Your problems trying to go to a forefoot strike are documented in at least one article: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/09/running-technique-part-ii-scientific.html.  I hesitate to call it a study, though part of the results were published.  You have to read down to "What the published study didn't tell you..."

 

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I weigh 190 also.  BUT - I'm not a proponent of barefoot running.  I just found it was easier than I expected, didn't seem to have any deleterious effects, and might have a place as an occasional workout.  I have been very skeptical of barefoot running, and, at this point, would much rather run in shoes.





We've come this far and it's still the same,
Runnin' out here in the rain.
Just one more mile, if only you could fly.
(Apologies to T. Rush and J. Tempchin, for the paraphrase)

DCtoPgh Community Moderator 2,928 posts since
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12. Nov 4, 2009 6:56 AM in response to: lenzlaw
Re: Barefoot Tuesday workout

I think this article is worth reading to balance some of the information from Born to Run. Without having read Born to Run I'm skeptical of the whole barefoot running idea. I've run 9 marathons, 3 ultras and thousands of miles without injury... seems like shoes are working for me. Plus, I live in the city. Between torn up sidewalks, broken bottles and other debris I don't think it would take me very long to get injured running without shoes. There are just too many obstacles, many of which are now covered by a nice layer of leaves. Seems like a disaster waiting to happen- for me, at least.





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Brian Loves Mineos Pizza Expert 47 posts since
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13. Nov 4, 2009 10:37 AM in response to: DCtoPgh
Re: Barefoot Tuesday workout

Just as I was leaving Crystal City a week ago Sunday, I found myself next to a younger fellow running barefoot.  I really wanted to ask him about it but I think I lost him at a water stop.

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