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Stevemustangred Legend 586 posts since
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30. Nov 4, 2009 11:29 AM in response to: Marykb
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Marykb wrote:

 

Stevemustangred wrote:

 

Marykb wrote:

 

Re: Walking an entire marathon.   ...IMO it takes little or no training to walk a marathon (disclaimer:  I am referring to average, healthy people, not those with physical disabilities, injuries or other limitations.) 

If you think it is so easy then do it.  I challenge you to walk 26.2 miles this weekend.  Then let us know how it felt.

 

No running allowed.  I'd suggest a time limit, but it doesn't matter.

Steve, I'll try to overlook your challenging tone and reiterate that I (or any other reasonably fit person) could walk 26 miles at any given time.  Yes, it would take several hours.  Yes, I would feel tired when I'm done.  But I could do it.  If you are in reasonable shape (you exercise on a regular basis) you could do it too.  In fact I'll turn the challenge around - try it yourself, you may be surprised!

 

(PS.  Think of all the people who participate in the 60 mile Breast Cancer 3 day walks.  I'm sure many of them don't have time to "train" extensively for a long walk like that but yet they do it!)

I wouldn't suggest that someone do something that I haven't already done.  Marathon to Marathon, Iowa, June 2005, 6 hours and 6 minutes.  I walked that race with my wife because she couldn't run. She suffered a broken foot after she won the Minot, ND Marathon and then running the Med City race a few weeks later.  My tone is challenging because people are minimizing things they haven't done themselves.  Walking 26.2 miles isn't as easy as you think it is.  Walking uses leg muscles in a different way from running and the pain is completely different from what is experienced running a marathon.  Up to that point I thought walking would be a piece of cake.  2006 was the year we finished the 50 states (5 yrs) and we only finished 18 marathons that year.  But that was well over 75 marathons ago.

 

The Fort Worth Marathon I am running this weekend has a walkers option starting at 6:30AM, but my wife isn't going to get up that early.  Runners don't start until 7:30.  I think the San Antonio marathon I am running the following weekend has a walkers option too.  Walking is also an option in the 50K I am running the weekend after San Antonio.

 

I didn't walk 3 weeks after foot surgery when I ran the 2008 Surfside marathon.  But Surfside and the Austin marathon a week later were awful painful.

 

I am not sure how a 60 mile 3 day walk would be.  I certainly wouldn't minimize what that entails.  I have run several doubles, two marathons in a weekend, but no triples.  I have run over 100 miles in 41 hours when my 2 person team completed in the March 2008, 200 mile, Texas Independence Relay.  My wife and I ran it.  Even though I wasn't walking I wouldn't call my speed in the final 25 miles a run.

 

If you haven't experienced it then your words are just words with no meaning.





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Marykb Legend 630 posts since
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31. Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM in response to: Stevemustangred
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?
My tone is challenging because people are minimizing things they haven't done themselves.  Walking 26.2 miles isn't as easy as you think it is.

 

Geez, Steve.  Apparently you didn't read my original post on this thread where I told you that I did a 20 mile Walkathon with no training whatsoever.





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Stevemustangred Legend 586 posts since
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32. Nov 5, 2009 6:49 AM in response to: Marykb
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Sorry, my fault for paying attention to the subject line:  "Plodders" (I hate that word) in Marathons.

 

20 miles is admirable, and just about the halfway point of endurance when running a marathon.  I'm fuzzy on where to place 20 with respect to walking 26.2, but for many it would be at least another 75-90 minutes of walking.

 

The challenge is 26.2.





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Marykb Legend 630 posts since
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33. Nov 4, 2009 2:57 PM in response to: Stevemustangred
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Stevemustangred wrote:

 

Sorry, my fault for paying attention to the subject line:  "Plodders" (I hate that word) in Marathons.

 

20 miles is admirable, and just about the halfway point of endurance when running a marathon.  I'm fuzzy on where to place 20 with respect to walking 26.2, but for many it would be at least another 75-90 minutes of walking.

The challenge is 26.2.

Well let me just put it this way, when I did the 20 mile walk endurance was not an issue other than the mental discipline it took to keep walking when the fun wore off.  I didn't stumble across the finish line gasping and heaving.  And when I say no training, I mean I literally showed up and walked the 20 miles with no kind of athletic background whatsoever.

 

Do I "think" I could go out tomorrow and walk a marathon?  I know I could.  But I'm not interested in walking that distance. When I am ready to RUN a complete marathon, I will run it.





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disneygal2 Pro 102 posts since
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34. Nov 4, 2009 6:19 PM in response to: Marykb
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Mary,  with all due respect, just because you can walk a marathon with no training.. some people are not in your superior condition.  For some of us walking a marathon is an accomplishment to be proud of.  You can chastise us all you want, but if the marathon allows for walkers than so be it.  I'm sure you will say your not chastizing..but it comes across that way at least to me.   You are entitled to your opinion that marathons are meant to be run!  But if the organizers say walkers are welcome than we are.  I am a beginning runner and no where near your level of awesomeness.  Congratulations to you for being in better shape than me!  I can tell you are very proud of that!  My ultimate goal is to run a marathon the full way but until than I will walk/run and do my best with the handicaps I have.   I just feel we should all support and encourage each other.   Your opinion is from the perspective of an accomplished runner.. mine is from that of an older not in great shape beginning runner.  I guess it makes sense we look at this differently.  At least both sides have had an opportunity to say how they feel and why.    No offense meant.. I'm not sure how old you are but keep in mind age plays in to this as well.    Good luck in your future runs.. I don't think I'll ever be in your corral but I will be out there trying my best and working hard to get in shape.    Sincerely,  Jess





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35. Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM in response to: Ohio Pete
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Given sufficient motivation - say being chased by Godzilla - anyone with 2 functioning legs could run a marathon - and probarbly put in a decent time - with zero training

 

The quality of your training is what determines how you are going feel during and after the race and how long after the race you feel like death warmed over.

 

 

Incidentally - Fred Lebow - founder of the New York Road Runners and the man largely responsible for the creation of  New York Marathon at aged 38 finished in 4:12 - He was a very average runner - yet he started what has grown to be the biggest marathon in the world - If some of the people quoted in that NYT article are to be beleived when he ran again at the age 60 in 5:32 - he and the great Grete Waitz - 9 time female champion who accompanied him - "lowered the bar" ... really ??? ... I think not






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disneygal2 Pro 102 posts since
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36. Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM in response to: spicegeek
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Thank You Spice Geek.  A nice perspective from a runner (you) who has some excellent times.   Your Godzilla comment made me smile when I was feeling sad.   I just think that we are ALL  fortunate to be able to get out there and enjoy the opportunites.  There are so many variables to what makes a good clock  time.  We are all individuals with our own story.    I'm so thankful I'm healthy enough to get out there and participate.      I meet the nicest people out there hiking and running.  I'm very active in a hiking club and working to be able to run as well.      Jess





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37. Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM in response to: disneygal2
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

I`ll confess I stole the Godzilla line from Shelly Glover - co-author of The Runners Handbook - she coaches classes for New York Road Runners and 2 years ago I took the beginners class with her.

 

 

Thank you for the compliment on my times - my first half marathon back in Aug 2007 took me 2 hours and 35 mins to complete !! Just a year ago I ran a 5 mile race that kicks off marathon week here in NY - I was so thrilled I finally ran under a 10 min mile - and for 5 miles !!! - 12 months later I ran 30 secs per mile faster ... for 26.2 miles !!! Keep training - you`ll get better every day - even if you have set backs - you come back stronger - don`t limit yourself by think you`ll never be as good as someone else - I remember asking someone if they were on drugs last year when they said they thought I could run under 4 hours - I was thinking at the time I`d be thrilled to run under 5 !!






NYC Marathon          Nov 1 2009     -   4:03:13 ( 9:17 mm )

NYC Half Marathon   Aug 16 2009   -   1:55:38 ( 8:49 mm )

1 mile -  7:07                             10K     - 52:58 ( 8:32 mm)

4 mile - 31:35 ( 7:53 mm)          8K      - 42:28 ( 8:32 mm)

15K -     1:22:02 ( 8:49 mm)

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PersianP Legend 279 posts since
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39. Nov 5, 2009 7:29 AM in response to: Marykb
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

This country is facing a big problem with youth obesity. I don't know if you watched last season on The Biggest Loser show. It was inspiring to see all those people with different health problems finish a marathon. If marathon walking or running gives people a goal to get out and challenge themselves, I don't see a reason to discourage anyone from doing so.

 

Think out of the box.

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40. Nov 5, 2009 8:01 AM in response to: PersianP
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

Very true Persian!  Weather it is intentional or not I have found the comments against plodders trying to participate discouraging.   BUT  it won't stop me from doing the best I can and working towards improving.





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41. Nov 5, 2009 8:55 AM in response to: Ohio Pete
Re: NYT Article: Plodders Have a Place, but Is It in a Marathon?

When I read the article, quite frankly I thought, oh great another dumb article for a bunch of elitist runners.  But I'm a little torn on this one.  I agree that the marathon distance is the ultimate goal for many including me and that running it in a really long time would be insulting to the marathon distance.  Hell, if I didn't feel that way, I'd have already registered for my first marathon.  BUT.....I am a slower runner.  I am not fast, probably will never be really fast but train with an awful lot of heart.  To think that to some my effort, which is significant, makes me less of a runner because I can't run 26 miles in less than 4 hours or 13 miles in less than 2 is insulting and ridiculous.  With that said, I will not run my first marathon in 2010.  I might not run it in 2011.  BUT I will run it one day, I will run it to the best of my ability whatever that may be at that time and be sure it will be under the time allowed on the course since I will not attempt to do it until I know for sure that I can finish it in official time.  BTW, I probably would finish one now in under 6 hours, I'm slow but not that slow.

Cyndi





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