active network espn
Community: Exchange advice in the forums and read running commentary Resources: Personal running log, calculators, links and other tools for runners News: Running news from around the world Training: Articles and advice about fitness, race training and injury prevention Races/Results: Find upcoming races and past results Home: The Cool Running homepage
Cool Running homepage  Search Cool Running Community

This Question is Possibly Answered

1 "correct" answer available (10 pts)
Last post: Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM by Stevemustangred RSS
rocdoc50 Legend 204 posts since
Oct 4, 2007
Currently Being Moderated

Nov 5, 2009 7:29 PM

Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

This subject is nothing new, but one I always found interesting.  On several occasions I have experienced or witnessed participants in races starting WELL ahead of where they are capable of starting. I would love to hear some of your stories.

 

Here is one of mine:

 

In a 5k I was at that had a few younger kids in it (below 6), one or two mothers lined up at the front of the crowd with their kids.  In this one case, the woman was up front holding the hand of her son who could not have been any more than 4 years old.  Now I know there are some very good runners who start young, but somehow, I knew this kid wasn't one of them.  Anyhow, the race director told everyone on two occasions that all slower runners should NOT be on the front row.  The race starts and less than 12 steps later the kid does the obvious...FALLS DOWN.  It's only by the grace of god that the kid didn't get trampled as no less than 15 speedy runners charged out from the start.  End result, kid is crying, mother is embarrassed and other runners are cursing under their breath at the ignorance of this woman.  What may have seemed cute turned out to be pretty dangerous.

crl8686 Legend 801 posts since
Nov 11, 2007
Currently Being Moderated
1. Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM in response to: rocdoc50
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

I ran a 5K this past June in Anaheim (CA). The Downtown Anaheim course is very flat and screaming fast. I was hoping for about a 25 min finish - and lined up about 1/4 of the way from the front (which is about where I expected to finish in the pack). Next to me was a group of 7 or 8 ladies that appeared to be in their 70's, all in matching Curves T-shirts. If they were good runners, that would've been just fine. But they were very obviously casual walkers - wearing walking shoes, carrying large bottles of water and tote bags. They should have been in the very back of the pack. I was rather concerned that they were going to get run over by the pack, but didn't say anything because I assumed they'd figure it out before race start. However, they didn't. When the race horn sounded, I took off and didn't look back. Later when I was checking out the race results, I noted a group of older women who had finished close together and had taken over an hour. Odds are good it was that group of walkers.





"...I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can do, but to the best you can do....I've learned that you can keep going long after you think you can't..." --- author unknown

2010 highlights...

@ 5K: LA Kings 5K, Los Angeles, CA, Feb '10, 24:25

          Glendale Downtown Dash 5K, Glendale, CA, Mar '10, 25:05

@ 10K: Firecracker 10K, Los Angeles, CA, Feb '10, 52:20


Stevemustangred Legend 644 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
Currently Being Moderated
2. Nov 6, 2009 8:15 AM in response to: crl8686
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

I heard a story about a runner in a 5K who was lining up at the start.  There was a lady with a baby jogger at the front.  He did say something to her.  She told him it was ok.  Just before the start she was introduced as the sponsor of the race and she is married to one of the richest guys in the country.

 

A couple years ago in the Austin marathon the Rick Perry the governor run the marathon with a security entourage.  Of course he started at the front.  My wife and I of course started near our expected pace which took 5-10 minutes to reach the start.  She finished just ahead of Perry, but they were blocking off a huge section of the finish for a photo op for the governor and moved the non-politicos out of his way.

 

About two years ago when finishing the Vermont City Marathon I was blocked by a team of relay joggers.  I was running faster than them while all four or five of them held hands together as they crossed the line, completely cutting me off.  I had to run off the course and into the grass to get around them. 





Lies Spectators tell Marathoners:   1) Last Hill!    2) Almost there!  3) You look great!

PersianP Legend 421 posts since
Oct 14, 2008
Currently Being Moderated
3. Nov 6, 2009 8:52 AM in response to: Stevemustangred
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

You forgot to mention, I didn't get a finish picture because of Perry!

bellsway Legend 304 posts since
Jan 28, 2009
Currently Being Moderated
4. Nov 6, 2009 5:11 PM in response to: rocdoc50
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

About 12 years ago I ran in a local 5K.  I'm slow so I lined up in the back of the pack.  There were a few women who lined up in the front.  Don't know if they were just close together or were holding hands but when the starter yelled "Go" and the faster runners took off there was a domino effect fall blocking most of the start of the race.  Runners were trying to get around the confusion on the sidewalk and dogding in and out.  Luckily no one was hurt but there were a lot of very angry and very sore runners and I can't blame them at all.  What were those people thinking?  IMO runners with jogging strollers or dogs on long leashes should start to one side of their pace group or in the back of the pack and walkers (not run/walkers) either start at the back of the pack or have a delayed start exclusively for them.





Plan your run and then run your plan.

Slow Lizzie Amateur 21 posts since
Apr 22, 2009
Currently Being Moderated
5. Nov 6, 2009 5:27 PM in response to: rocdoc50
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

A medium sized race at a zoo. So poorly organized it was almost funny. No warning over the megaphone that the race was about to start, so no one was even really lined up, just 1000 of us milling around the parking lot. The "organizer" just strolled to the start line and fired the gun. Walkers and runners of all levels totally scrambled up together. I was trying not to trip over kids in wagons for the first minute or two.





  • Bicentennial 5K   6-6-09   17:04 Pace
  • Firecracker 10K   7-4-09   13:38 Pace
  • Zoo Run Run 5K   7-18-09   12:46 Pace
  • River Run 5K   8-29-09   12:13 Pace     
  • Cheetah Run 5K   9-6-09   12:07 Pace 
  • Run the Falls 5K   9-26-09   12:00 Pace
  • The Scenic 5K   10-3-09   11:50 Pace
  • Indianapolis Marathon 5K   10-17-09   11:46 Pace
  • Fall Fest 5K   10-24-09   11:43 Pace
Runnergal262 Legend 345 posts since
Sep 1, 2009
Currently Being Moderated
7. Nov 17, 2009 12:29 PM in response to: rocdoc50
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

Grandma's Marathon, I was placed by the walkers because my bus driver nearly got lost driving to the start.  Didn't matter much in the end I suppose...I somehow caught (then subsequently lost) the 4:30 pace group even with the bad placement.

moviechic3 Pro 65 posts since
Nov 5, 2009
Currently Being Moderated
8. Nov 18, 2009 4:22 AM in response to: Runnergal262
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

Women's Only 5K, which had over 3000 participants and it was my first race.

They lined people up by their time for a mile. Since it was my first race, I was in the section for 14+ minute mile.

Of course they let the faster time groups go first. Once they told us to go, they meshed us with the huge group of walkers. There was absolutely no way I could start running for about 10 minutes.

Luckily it was my first race and I had no time to compare to. If it wasn't I may have been a bit peeved because there would have been no way to be accurate that way. Next year when I do it I'll definitely be in the faster runner line





03/20/10 Beer Run 5 Mile Greensboro NC 1:20:32

02/27/10 Shamrock-n-Run 5K Chapel Hill NC 42:52

01/01/19 Resolution Run 5K Greensboro NC 46:42

Stevemustangred Legend 644 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
Currently Being Moderated
9. Nov 18, 2009 5:51 AM in response to: moviechic3
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

moviechic3 wrote:

 

...my first race.

They lined people up by their time for a mile.... I was in the section for 14+ minute mile.

...they meshed us with the huge group of walkers. There was absolutely no way I could start running for about 10 minutes.

 

Many folks would say that 14+ min/mile is walking (4.2 mph).  My warm up walk speed is 13:33 min/mile, 4.5 mph.  Your run speed was probably faster than you think.





Lies Spectators tell Marathoners:   1) Last Hill!    2) Almost there!  3) You look great!

Amigold Pro 86 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
Currently Being Moderated
10. Nov 18, 2009 9:23 AM in response to: rocdoc50
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

I had the opposite problem.

 

Last year at the White Rock Marathon in Dallas it was so crowded that there was no possible way (post portapot visit) I could get to the back of the area where my run time (10-10:30) was lined up.  In fact, police were not letting anyone else behind the barriers even 20 minutes before the race because it was just so crowded.  They told the rest of us latecomers--and that was a heckuva lot of people--to just start at one of the three crowed barricade entrances near the front and blend into the other runners.

 

Well, that was a mistake.  Because of the crush of people behind me--runners and spectators both-- I couldn't just stand still and wait until my race time group loped by after the gun went off, or I would have been trampled to death.  So I was literally shoved into the race at around the 7 minute mile runner group.

 

I immediately dodged and weaved my way to one side but I felt terrible about being there and being in people's way.  No way to get on the sidewalk either as they had the sidewalk barricaded for crowds the first half mile.

 

So sometimes us slower runners aren't up front on purpose...and I apologize to anyone who had to run around me that day.

 

PS I did have a PR that day and it was probably because I ran that first mile as fast as I could to get out of the way!

 

Terry

Stevemustangred Legend 644 posts since
Oct 10, 2007
Currently Being Moderated
11. Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM in response to: Amigold
Re: Worst case of bad race positioning you encountered

Amigold wrote:

 

I had the opposite problem.

 

Last year at the White Rock Marathon in Dallas it was so crowded that there was no possible way (post portapot visit) I could get to the back of the area where my run time (10-10:30) was lined up.  In fact, police were not letting anyone else behind the barriers even 20 minutes before the race because it was just so crowded.  They told the rest of us latecomers--and that was a heckuva lot of people--to just start at one of the three crowed barricade entrances near the front and blend into the other runners.

 

Well, that was a mistake.  Because of the crush of people behind me--runners and spectators both-- I couldn't just stand still and wait until my race time group loped by after the gun went off, or I would have been trampled to death.  So I was literally shoved into the race at around the 7 minute mile runner group.

 

 

Terry

It is no big deal if that happens.  Just run.  It doesn't really matter if you go to the side or not since faster runners who weren't able to reach the front at the beginning tend to sprint past on the sides.  Don't stop in the middle of the course to walk or you might get trampled.  Sort of merge into the water stops rather than darting across the course to the table.  Lastly, if you are running with friends and getting passed just run single file so people can get by you easily.





Lies Spectators tell Marathoners:   1) Last Hill!    2) Almost there!  3) You look great!

More Like This

  • Retrieving data ...

Bookmarked By (0)