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9003 Views 28 Replies Latest reply: Jan 22, 2010 8:03 AM by Achmed1 Go to original post 1 2 Previous Next
  • Prosopis Rookie 157 posts since
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    15. Jan 31, 2009 4:21 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    "The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

     

    ‘The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.

     

     

    ‘The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. http://... As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.'

     

     

  • Michael. Community Moderator 516 posts since
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    16. May 12, 2009 7:25 AM (in response to Prosopis)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    If we can decide that an unborn baby is not human life and can be aborted where does it stop? Selectively deciding who stays and goes sounds to much like "Culling the herd" to me. How different is it then if an 80yr old who needs life support? How about the fellow runner who gets hit by a car and is in the hospital and needs life support?

  • tcarter83 Rookie 5 posts since
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    17. Jun 9, 2009 3:41 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    Rather than alienate people by adding my opinions on abortion, I will just point out the hypocrisy of most "pro-lifers."  If you are "pro-life" then you should be against the death penalty, war (in all forms), vegetarian (while both plants and animals are "alive" you can't tell me that a cow is less alive or sentient than an unborn child), and should essentially dress as an extremely devout Jain (a South Asian religion that places an exceptional value on all life) complete with the facial mask to prevent killing microbes in the air.  Additionally, they should also support socialism (maybe not the "scientific" that evolved during the 19th century with its stress upon rationalism and secularism).  We live in industrial society, which has both the capability of providing for everybody as well as being predicated upon continual improvement social fluidity (this is something completely unknown until the 18th and 19th centuries), and since it has this capabiltiy to continuosly provide for all, then "pro-life" people should support all social welfare programs and government spending to help provide basic means of existence for everyone else who is alive.  Abortion isn't pretty, but it certainly seems to support a sliding defintion of what "life" and morality towards others is.

  • robg8r Amateur 17 posts since
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    18. Jun 22, 2009 4:54 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

     

    of course it's murder; if you kill a pregnant woman and the baby she is carrying, you are tried for 2 murders

     

     

     

     

     

  • Ferbek Rookie 3 posts since
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    19. Jun 24, 2009 6:50 AM (in response to EIgirl)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

     

    I absolutely believe in a womans right.  THE RIGHT TO KEEP HER LEGS CLOSED!!!!  You also have the right and responsibilty to take preventative measures.  You dont even have the right to "murder" yourself.  Did you know that if you attempt suicide and fail you are fined and probably thrown into a looney bin - so if they CAN THROW YOU INTO A FACITILY AND CLASSIFY YOU AS "CRAZY" if you  try to kill yourself or even for those people who "cut" or "self mutalate"  how come your not crazy for injuring or killing  something in your body - Y just cause you cant see it - I dont believe in abortion at all, but sometimes i'm torn, becasue if a person could do that - would you really want them raising a child anyway - the kid is MUCH better off

     

     

  • clanrunner Rookie 32 posts since
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    20. Jun 24, 2009 7:19 AM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

     

    no.

     

     

    is murder cruel and heartless? yes

     

     

    denying someone the right to abortion simply because you don't like it or find it immoral, is that cruel and heartless? yes

     

     

  • tahimsa Rookie 2 posts since
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    21. Jul 3, 2009 7:02 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    seeing as we can't decide when life begins, then it is impossible to come to definitive that abortion is murder. So I will say. NO

  • NicktheAviator Amateur 8 posts since
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    22. Jul 5, 2009 1:25 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    I guess if you want be nit-picky about words. In my opinion...

     

    Abortion = killing.

     

     

    I view murder as something that Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, and Ted Bundy had done.

     

     

    If you want to argue about whether or not abortion should be banned or allowed...write your political representatives. Maybe they'll grow a pair and finally make a decision, one way or the other. I personally only believe in abortion for cases of rape, incest, and such. I got to see the 'Bodies' Exhibition where they had fetuses at different stages of birth from days to months after insemination...really eye opening.





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  • dgator32 Amateur 36 posts since
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    23. Jul 16, 2009 2:18 PM (in response to aj01)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    everyone has the right to their own beliefs... but to base your beliefs on a fictitious book seems as dumb to me as this thread being on this site to begin with... im sure there are other forums where this could be discussed... i don't come to active.com to read a argument about the rights of unborn fetuses





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  • phoofy73 Amateur 16 posts since
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    24. Jul 27, 2009 11:11 PM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    My $0.02 is that the answer to this question should lie with the people involved in making the decision. If you are anti-abortion, do not choose to have one, and teach your children to be responsible when it comes to sex. If you are pro-choice, think about the whys and hows, and learn from whatever you decide to do.





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  • ExperiencedRunner Amateur 31 posts since
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    25. Jan 22, 2010 3:22 AM (in response to Prosopis)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    We need to be consist with this abortion issue. Do I agree with abortion...not really except in the case of the mother being in danger, rape or incest.  But here is the consistency issue.  why is it that anti abortion folks are against teaching comprehensive sex education to middle school/high school students?  Abstient only does not work.  the more information that they have the more responsibile they will be.  It does not mean they are automatically going to go out and have sex.... I was not sexually active until college.  And for those that choose to have sex, they will have the information on reproductive health and contraceptive methods so that they will not become teen mothers and fathers, hence abortion would me a non issue.

     

    And why were none of the abortion folks not rallying  for the S Chip program when it was vetoed in the last administration...that is health care for poor children...are not children life?  How about entitlement programs for children....I can go on and on....

     

    It is the love the fetus hate the child mentality....

     

    I just saying....

     

     

     

    Again it is consistency.

  • DadtoTwins Pro 55 posts since
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    26. Jan 22, 2010 5:21 AM (in response to Prosopis)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    The last time I checked, having an abortion was still legal. Murder is illegal, therefore, abortion is not murder. However, whether or not it is ethical, is a question that only the person considering one can answer. I'll leave my personal views out of this.





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  • cyclingkevin Rookie 1 posts since
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    27. Jan 22, 2010 5:54 AM (in response to tungniweliv)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Let the first without sin cast the first stone. In my soul I know each child is unique and a life precious. Each individual mother and father has to deal with their own choice in the matter. I am not a god to make this choice for them. Only love to one another will this world be better for everyone living now and for ones that will be born. Please love the person and not the sin. I am a sinner and I find my hope in Jesus.

  • Achmed1 Pro 74 posts since
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    28. Jan 22, 2010 8:03 AM (in response to DadtoTwins)
    Re: is it true that abortion = murder

    This one of questions that eveybody get angry over.  Everyone yell and call each other wrong.  No one win argument.





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