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Sasch, congrats on the excellent start! You sound like you are sitting pretty in the city. Or running, but perhaps not so pretty?
I'm a doctor (really!) and i'm not going to make any sort of diagnosis, except that if you say that you don't have a burning or stabbing pain then it's probably not plantar fasciitis.
However, I shall tell you a story: once upon a time, in December, the dead of winter and during a blizzard, I bought a new pair of shoes in preparation for my January 17th marathon. I bought the shoes about 2 1/2 weeks before the marathon so I could "check them out" and have them ready for the race. They were the same brand and size (Mizuno Wave Inspires) that I've used for the past couple of years and I was assured that there was no major change in the shoe construction, sizing, etc.
I put these shoes on and ran for 3 miles and was MISERABLE. My feet hurt. My toes were numb. I thought, hmmm, are they laced too tight? Are my socks too big? Are my feet swollen for some reason? I tried to run in these shoes for a week (meaning, 3 runs) but every time I was uncomfortable.
I decided to gamble, and gamble big. Because of bizarre circumstances (see: blizzard) I ended up sending my husband to the store with the old shoes to exchange for a half size up. My plan was to check them out (on a treadmill!) and run with them for the marathon, and if they didn't work out I'd wear my old shoes. So, 1 week! During the taper! No long runs on these babies at all! I essentially did 2 runs of 2-3 miles, didn't feel super uncomfortable, and took these shoes with me to Phoenix. I made my husband meet me at mile 5 with my old shoes just in case the new ones were not working for me. Fortunately, the half size up made all the difference and I was able to trot happily through 26.2 miles of Phoenix with frankly the smallest amount of foot/toe/blister damage I've ever had.
The moral of this story: small, very very small aspects of a shoe can make a HUGE difference. If you are having ANY problems with a shoe, take it back and try a different one. If you can't solve your problems with a different shoe (and a good running store will let you exchange a shoe that is not working for you for free) then you should start thinking about a different insole (you can buy these separately) and if THAT doesn't work you can consider getting custom orthotics.
DO NOT GO BACK TO KNEE PAIN! Please, please, please! You have more options than "knee pain" and "foot pain".
It very well could be the way your moving, when you run,Check out Chi Running,Learning the art of running will help,Learning to use your energy flow instead of your legs,Will save you alot of pain.Check it out. Breeze
It could be a process or initiation that you must endure. Stretching is key and we all don't do enough as the foot is being reformed to perform. As your mileage picks up, that pain will move all around your lower body. The shoe is in your head so return them....look into runnersworld.com 2010 shoes ....to see what's new. The beast,"recommended for heavy runners with pancake flat feet"
Sounds like we are having the same, or at least a very similar, problem! After a recent switch in shoes, I have also been experiencing arch pain which does not exhibit the same symptoms as the infamous plantar fasciitis. I am training for my first marathon, and about two months ago I switched from a pair of neutral running shoes to a pair of stability shoes because I was having bad knee pain from overpronation. Two weeks after I switched, my knee pain was almostly completely gone, and I had no arch pain.
Then, about two weeks ago my arches were killing me, and the pain has persisted/gotten a bit worse since then. I know it's not likely to be plantar fasciitis - the pain is more along the side edge of my arch, a little bit on the bottom, and in the middle, nowhere near the heel. It doesn't particulary hurt when I wake up in the morning, and it isn't a sharp pain.
Anyway, I am training as part of a class at my university, and I have asked my coach, as well as our athletic trainer, and they both say that it's more likely than not just my feet getting used to the increased stability and stiffness of the shoes. As for the first month where I had no arch pain, my mileage was not as high as it is now, so it may have been just the combination of the increased distances and stability.
They recommend that I keep wearing the new shoes for the longer runs, and switch to the neutral shoes when I run for shorter distances (or switch every other day), as having foot problems is better than having knee problems or having both - they said that shoe changes can be really hard for some people's feet to adjust to, so even if I switched back to my old shoes now I could still have the arch pain, in addition to the knee pain. They also suggested freezing a full water bottle and rolling it under my arch to ice and massage at the same time, and stretching out my calves well.
Sorry to say I don't yet have a definite answer for you, as I am still trying to get rid of the pain myself, but I will let you know if this works for me! Good luck with running and hope you find a solution!
I am having a very similar problem as well!
I am relatively new to running and am also working on the C25K plan. Months ago I tried running and had horrible heel pain during the day (and obviously worsei n the am) so I went to a podiatrist and was diagnosied w/Plantar Fascitis. She recomended lots of stretching and the frozen water bottle massage--which worked wonderfully. She also recomended getting fitted for shoes and wearing inserts.
Now that I've started running again I do get some heel pain in my left foot in the am, but stretching helps SO much--if I'm good about stretching every day I generally don't get much pain in the am
The problem is in my right foot--during my run after about 5-10 min of walking and running I get that burning pain in my right arch. I'm able to run through it and it actually goes away at about min 15-20 and causes me no pain the rest of the day. I only have the pain for those 5 minutes while running.
I talked to my trainer and she thinks that its just my plantar fascia warming up since it passes as I keep running. But she also suggested I get fitted for new shoes (previously I had just gotten the inserts). I did get new shoes and I was unknowingly wearing a full size too small!! I tried out the new shoes and inserts at the store and they felt good, but during my first run with them the arch pain was back.
I'm planning on trying them out on a few more short runs (I run for about 30 min) and seeing where that gets me and upping my stretching and tennis ball massages (rolling your foot around on a tennis ball) to see if that helps. In the past stretching has done more for reducing the pain than I could have imagined so heres to hoping it helps again!
Amy--I'd love to hear if your arches felt better as they got used to the shoes!
Your posts have been extremely informative. I just started running as well. I went to a running store had them put me on the diagnostic equipment to ensure that I purchased the correct running shoe. I am also experiencing the burning sensation that you refer in my arches to but I chalk it up to the fact that I have pins in my left arch which I broke several years ago so my gait is off. Some of you mentioned stretcing prior running to help reduce this pain. Could you please be more specific? What kind of stretching will help with this?
Thanks in advance.
I've struggled with chronic plantar fasciitis (sp?) for over 10 years. I was ALWAYS told to wear "stability" shoes when I went into the specialized shoe stores. I mean I couldn't even walk on our hard wood floors barefoot at all. Tried the rock hard orthodics....can you say OUCH!!!! I could never get used to them.
Fast forward. Finally I want to a new foot doc and he said I have minimal pronation and I should for sure be in a neutral shoe. My stability shoes were too much and aggrivating my arches for years. Who knew???? I think because of my weight, 6' and over 200lbs I was put in the stability shoes. Now I use neutral shoes, with a store bought insert...I like Sole, but may need to switch to a firmer Smart Feet one. I would get advice from a respected foot doc before I listen to any of the "specialized" running shoe store folks. No disrespect, but I was in PAIN for a very long time. I'm not pain free, and running way longer distances than ever before.
I tried the Nike Zoom Volmeros but they were too mushy. Loved the cushion, but not enough support. I'm now in Brooks (love Brooks!) Defyance...a neutral shoe with just a touch of stability, but not as much as a full stability shoe. Not super cushy, but I don't "feel" my shoes when I run, and I love that.
Oh and ICE your feet after working out. Even if they don't hurt....but you've had foot issues. Love my ice packs!
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Take the shoes back if you can. You pain is not PF. I have had it. It hurts like crap in the AM. Like BAD and you can't walk on it. It gets BETTER as the day goes on and in my case would feel "ok" while running although that probably made the healing take longer.
And yes that is quackey if you think that was PF.
Don't we have a thread for this bs about barefooting? To each his own but I don't get on here and tell everyone they would be fine is they just ran in ASICS Nimbuses like me. They jury is WAY out on this.
Hi all ~
Doubleo4, just thought I'd give an update. It's been about a month now since my last post, and I'm happy to report that my arch pain is all gone! I never ended up switching back and forth between my old shoes and new ones as my coach recommended, because when I put my old shoes on I was immediately amazed that I had ever run in them at all - they are now about a half size too small! I guess my feet have flattened out from all the running.
Anyway, I continued with the tennis ball and iced water bottle every time after my short runs, and after my long runs I would soak my feet in an ice bath for about 20 mins (really unpleasant in the winter, but oh well). From start the finish, I would say my arch pain lasted for about 3 or 4 weeks. Really thankful I resolved it without having to see a specialist. I also had some pain in the ball of my foot (not the same foot as the arch pain), which I more or less took care of by buying a metatarsal pad that just goes right on top of my insoles, to cushion the impact on the ball of my foot.
In response to one of the other posts, yes, running store ppl can be hit or miss with their knowledge, and in an ideal world everyone would just go see a foot doctor, but it's a luxury not all of us can afford (as a college student, I know I certainly can't!). So in the meantime, I think these forums are great, and I hope this advice helps someone overcome their running pains.
have a look at this http://www.gearbuzz.com/deal/7426/50-percent-off-feetgeek-foot-disc-runpro/national looks like it's designed to enhance the fit of the running shoes? anybody tried it out?