Your body should adjust after 2 weeks. If you still run more than about 10-15sec/mile slower than normal it means your body cannot handle the extra workload. Understand your limits and reduce your milage because obviously your muscles are not getting enough time to regenerate and heal.

11 weeks of increased milage and still running slower than you had been is a red flag.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by Redriderun:
Does anyone notice that when they bump to a new mileage level they have problems holding their average pace?

At 30 miles per week I could seemingly run miles any speed I wanted to, now I have been averaging 50 miles per week for 11 weeks and I can only seem to run base miles at a 10 minute pace, if I go faster I feel fatigued.

Is this because my body is still adapting to the higher mileage?<HR>

I am not a fast runner but I didn't lose any speed at all when I increased my average from high 30's/low 40's to high 40's/low 50's. In fact, my pace increases. I also knocked more than a min off my 10k time since the increase.

I did slow down my tempo run a bit to run a longer tempo. But my speed intervals, easy runs, and long runs are all much faster after 5 weeks of increase.

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Abadabajev:
Excuse me, I must laugh now.

You must be one of those quick fix/short cut people that does not have a long term view approach to running or anything in general. <HR>

Laugh at what? If after 11 weeks you get no faster there's something wrong and it warrants a cut-back to avoid over-training. Beating yourself up doesn't help you in the long run any more than in the short run.

I've often felt tired during mileage bumps and slowed my runs, but if I don't bounce back I either cut back and rest a bit or get a dumb moment, keep with the status quo, and wreck myself for a couple months.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyHass:
Laugh at what? If after 11 weeks you get no faster there's something wrong and it warrants a cut-back to avoid over-training. Beating yourself up doesn't help you in the long run any more than in the short run.

I've often felt tired during mileage bumps and slowed my runs, but if I don't bounce back I either cut back and rest a bit or get a dumb moment, keep with the status quo, and wreck myself for a couple months.<HR>

C'mon Andy, are you just trying to play devil's advocate here. You know what Aba means: Build up and give your body time to adjust to the mileage. The post he responded to was non sensical. Read it again.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyHass:
If after 11 weeks you get no faster there's something wrong and it warrants a cut-back to avoid over-training<HR>

There is nothing I can do if Redriderun does not take a recovery/cut-back week every 3rd or 4th week. Also Redriderun stated that if he goes faster than 10minute pace, he feels fatigued. Well Lydiard always said, after a basic conditioning run, you should feel 'pleasantly tired'. Also, tusca hit the nail right on the head; do a TT to evaluate your fitness and see what response his body gives him. If it's not good, then, I agree with you completely Andy, a slower pace is required or decrease mileage and re-evaluate your progression mileage 'upping' plan.

<b>Excuse me, I must laugh now.

You must be one of those quick fix/short cut people that does not have a long term view approach to running or anything in general. </b>

Yep - ignorant post.... but for the record my long term approach to running has kept me doing it for 19 years consistanly and per anything in general, well my masters degree and professional license in architecture speak for themselves..... but I digress.

If anything, my original post was hardly a quick fix/short cut approach - it was one where you understand your physical limits so that they are not taxed to the point of injury.

<i> Also Redriderun stated that if he goes faster than 10minute pace, he feels fatigued. Well Lydiard always said, after a basic conditioning run, you should feel 'pleasantly tired'. </i>

"Fatigued" and "pleasantly tired" are very different terms and states of being. Lydiard describes a feeling that while tired is also a bit uplifting as in you're tired but in a good and uplifting way. Being fatigued is an overall feeling of lack of energy and fitness. This is <b>not</b> what Lydiard describes.

****, I could run 72 miles a week now like I did in HS, but rather than maintaining my typical 7:30-8min easy pace, I'd probably have to drop it to 9min/mile. Is this helping me, no, since they'd be more junk miles than quality and further, my stride would change which in itself could lead to injury.

If after 11 weeks fitness isn't increasing, it's probaly because the training isn't being done correctly - continuing along the present course without listening to your body and hoping of adjusting is just plain foolish.