Not sure what happened to the sub-20 thread. It seems to have died. Is it full? I guess this is the continuation.

First off, congrats to Docster on your sub-20! There has been
some good discussion of workouts on this thread and the other, and we've been fortunate enough to have Tinman join in. I can't help thinking that if we lived closer together we could help each other by doing workouts together. As I read people's workouts, they seem very similar to what I've been
doing.

As I noted on the other thread, I broke 20 for the first time in five years a couple of weeks ago. After that, it was back to mediocrity, with an uninspired 20:33 on a warm night a couple of Mondays ago, and a 20:28 on the track last Saturday. That last one was particularly tough, because there was only one other guy in the race (even though it was a fairly big meet), and he ran 16:40, lapping me a couple of times, so I was out there on my own. I wanted to try to hold sub-20 pace for as long as possible. I was OK through 1600 meters in 6:20, but then my laps started to slow, and by around halfway, I knew the sub-20 was gone. It took a lot of focus for me to keep from giving up and jogging in, but I held on and managed to get my second fastest time of the year.
MichiganFlyer, I don't know how you do those hard solo
5K's. More power to you.

I'm going to take a couple of easy weeks before starting base training for fall racing.

Good luck everyone! Keep it going.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by OldXCguy:
Not sure what happened to the sub-20 thread. It seems to have died. Is it full? I guess this is the continuation.

First off, congrats to Docster on your sub-20! There has been
some good discussion of workouts on this thread and the other, and we've been fortunate enough to have Tinman join in. I can't help thinking that if we lived closer together we could help each other by doing workouts together. As I read people's workouts, they seem very similar to what I've been
doing.

As I noted on the other thread, I broke 20 for the first time in five years a couple of weeks ago. After that, it was back to mediocrity, with an uninspired 20:33 on a warm night a couple of Mondays ago, and a 20:28 on the track last Saturday. That last one was particularly tough, because there was only one other guy in the race (even though it was a fairly big meet), and he ran 16:40, lapping me a couple of times, so I was out there on my own. I wanted to try to hold sub-20 pace for as long as possible. I was OK through 1600 meters in 6:20, but then my laps started to slow, and by around halfway, I knew the sub-20 was gone. It took a lot of focus for me to keep from giving up and jogging in, but I held on and managed to get my second fastest time of the year.
MichiganFlyer, I don't know how you do those hard solo
5K's. More power to you.

I'm going to take a couple of easy weeks before starting base training for fall racing.

Good luck everyone! Keep it going.

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Thanks! (and thanks to everyone else as well!) I agree....I don't know how Michigan does it. My biggest challenge now will be to continue to try to break 20:00. While part of me is too stubborn not to try...I'm still adapting (hopefully) to the discomfort required run that hard. I just have to remind myself that once I'm done I'll feel fine in a few minutes, unlike my marathons where it hurts for several days.

MaineRunner, that sounds like a good plan, unless we can get the moderators to re-open the original thread. Lots of good info in there, although I'm told there is no search mechanism on this site. Perhaps it has become too unwieldy and in need of replacement.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by runfastcoach:
The McMillan steady state run mentioned is nothing but a ripoff from what I used to preach. I sent lots of information to his buddy Jonas Holdeman (who I didn't know was McMillan's buddy) and it was quickly convereted into "McMillan's" ideas. What baloney! <HR>

Tinman:

You are a decent guy and I believe you preach the correct training principles. You seem to have helped a log of young aspiring athletes and I really really appreciate your effort. However, you've got to stop this personal accusation on others, be it Daniels or Kellogg or Greg McMillan. If nothing else, I know Greg in person very well. He's one of the most honorable men I know of (well, maybe I praised him too much...). We have developed a very special bonding through Arthur Lydiard--Greg was the last person the Old Man was with; he was in the hotel room when Arthur passed away! Ever since, the guy has devoted himself to honor Lydiard (okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit here again!). But I believe the last thing Greg would do is to some silly tiny rat's *** thing like "stealing somebody's 'Steady State' training idea". At least, with almost 100% certainty I can say he's not that small.

Greg is one of our advisory board members, along with people like Peter Snell, Dave Martin, Steve Jones, Rod Dixon, Steve Scott...as well as your buddy, Nic Bideau. He's heading elite running group on behalf of Lydiard Foundation and we will be most likely making the official annoucement soon. And we would not appreciate anybody accusing one of our colleagues with some nonesense based on, according to Greg and Jonas Holdeman, "non-truth". If you feel that strongly about it, you should probably make the official legal action and we would be ready to counter as well.

By the way, I just made a formal announcement on therunzone.com that I won't be on the internet after Christmas.

Take care,

Tinman
runfastcoach@gmail.com

Ditto what Tigger said.

Tinman, I don't know what happened behind the scenes but you felt it warranted an apology. Done! Over with! You have mine and most others complete support and backing.

On our personal communications I have always pushed for you to participate more here on Coolrunning and as of late you have and it is much appreciated by 99% of us. I hope you will continue and definitely reconsider your plans at year's end. Also, many of are going to buy that book of yours which I know is getting closer to being completed.

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