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8 Replies Last post: Jan 31, 2002 10:50 PM by CoachB008  
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Jan 26, 2002 5:59 PM

Base and Speed

While they say you need a good base to build your speed off of, what do you do when trying to dramatically increase your time? I know I am able to go much faster than my last PR for the 1600 (5.12), but while building this base for speed, should the normal runs be pushed?? What I mean by this, is that to obtain the low speed (for me a 4.30 mile), should you push your normal non-speed runs harder so you run faster (like 6 to mid 5 minute miles)? Or is it better to just run "normally" letting the speed come to you and worry about pushing yourself on the speed days only? Its one heck of a jump from the pace of a 18.00 5k to 4.30 1600 and I want to get there the best way so I can push far beyond expectations.

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1. Jan 27, 2002 12:39 AM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
The following are different types of training and what they do for your fitness. So though not all distance runs should be hard, as you will learn below, some should be. Try to include each element below in your training at least occasionally. (I know this can be hard to do w/ all of your workouts decided by coaches, but the info below should give you an idea of what you should be doing.) I hope I've helped.


Aerobic training- long distance, not necesarily slow though.....controlled, steady pace. This will maintain your aerobic fitness.

Tempo runs- hard 3-5 mile runs not quite an anaerobic effort, but close, hard aerobic. This will increase your lactic acid threshold, that is, how fast you can run before your legs get fatigued and filled with lactic acid.

Spead/Interval workouts- get you used to running at race pace / gets you more efficient at running anaerobically and w/ lactic acid buildup.

Rest- a day off, or an easy run




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2. Jan 27, 2002 12:42 AM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
Also, if you don't know what aerobic and anaerobic are, in layman's terms aerobic is when you're breathing is either easy or hard but still controlled. Anaerobic is more like when you're exhausted and perhaps gasping for air. (Also, being anaerobic will make you fatigue extremely quickly, especially if you've never practiced it in training.)

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"It eluded us then, but that's no matter. Tomorrow we will run faster...Stretch out our arms farther--And one fine morning......"
-F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
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4. Jan 27, 2002 4:12 PM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
at this time of the season, it will be better for you to let the speed come to you. If you run at a moderately fast pace, but still stay comfortable, you will be getting a great base for your season. At this point, you will want to run one or two moderatly hard workout per week, but don't kill those either. Steady work with occasional easy weeks will give you the safest and most surefire build up available.
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5. Jan 27, 2002 6:25 PM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
Sorry for not acually answering your question, perhaps it is because I am not sure of that myself. I just think that understanding what each type of workout will do for you really helps to answer your question which ultimately has to do with what is best for you. If you are trying to peak for the end of winter track season, say February, then hard workouts are necessary, but if, like most runners, you are more focused on the outdoor season than I agree with coachB. Focus on your base but go relatively hard at least once a week.

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"It eluded us then, but that's no matter. Tomorrow we will run faster...Stretch out our arms farther--And one fine morning......"
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6. Jan 28, 2002 11:08 PM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
I would suggest that you keep your easy runs easy because they allow your body to recover and push your hard runs as hard as you possibly can. This will give you the most improvement possible without overduing it. If you never want to be a good runner, then listen to CoachB and never give it your all.??? The more intense your hard runs are, the faster you'll improve, but if you do them every day, you won't give your muscles a chance to repair themselves. The easy runs are a chance to stay loose and help them get back to the way they were before you worked the **** out of em.
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7. Jan 29, 2002 2:35 AM in response to: Kypie24
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by whatarun com:
I would suggest that you keep your easy runs easy because they allow your body to recover and push your hard runs as hard as you possibly can. This will give you the most improvement possible without overduing it. If you never want to be a good runner, then listen to CoachB and never give it your all.??? The more intense your hard runs are, the faster you'll improve, but if you do them every day, you won't give your muscles a chance to repair themselves. The easy runs are a chance to stay loose and help them get back to the way they were before you worked the **** out of em.<HR>


what coachb is speaking of, is the idea of while you are in the base phase of training, you run comfortably hard everyday. you don't run extremely hard or extremely easy. correct me if i'm wrong somebody, but i am pretty sure the coach at thousand oaks high school implemented this into his coaching regime, and he has had a lot of success with his athletes. it's like starting off the summer being able to run 6 miles at 7:00 pace comfortably, and working that pace down to where by the end of the summer you are doing it at say, 6:20 pace. you are running it at the same intensity as when you were at 7:00 pace, but your pace is now faster because you have gotten stronger.
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8. Jan 31, 2002 10:50 PM in response to: Kypie24
Re: Base and Speed
Whatarun

I am going to have to disagree with you here. At this early point of the season, sacrificing good training days to recovery from over hard workouts is not the best way to go. You are trying to get in shape so that you can "get in shape" later on. Without much of a base, the body can adapt pretty fast to hard workouts, but, I have found that athletes have a hard time maintaining hard training for more than a month. If you build a good base with moderatly hard work, but never killing yourself, you can have good training days every day of the week. Going really hard on your hard day forces an overly easy run on your recovery days.

In addition, going really hard, over your head ability wise, has not been shown to result in long term performance gains. Researchers MacDougal and Sale, described the proper training intensities back in 1981. They found that the greatest gains in VO2 max were associated with work right at that intensity or slightly below (Canadian Journal of Sports Medicine). Additionally, they pointed out that going too far over your VO2 max pace only resluted in shortening the length of your workout and subsequently decreasing the time that you are able to apply the proper training stimulus. (ie. if you are a 10:00 min 2 miler, it is better to run 8x800 at 2:30-2:34 with relatively short recovery than it is to run 4x800 at 2:18-2:22 with longer recovery.)

This is not to say that you should never run above your VO2 max or try to flood your muscles with lactate. Of course it must be done in order to teach your body to buffer high acidity levels. However, you don't need to do this type of work that much to get the benefit of it. And you certainly don't need to do it in January if you goal race is in May.

If you don't believe me, ask the all americans I've coached. One is running at Columbia right now.

Sincerely,
Joel Bernard, MS