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30 Replies Last post: Apr 14, 2005 2:32 PM by Professor010   Go to original post 1 2 3 Previous Next
Click to view mmlgymnast's profile Amateur 16 posts since
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15. Mar 29, 2005 8:16 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
i have my first track meet in a week or so and im going to run the mile. what should i eat before the meet??
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16. Mar 30, 2005 9:12 AM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
Upper body strength is a help, but lifting in the days right before a race isn't going to help you...it's what you've done in the several MONTHS leading up to the race.
Breath-rights are kind of a fad item...maybe they help get air in, maybe not. Problem is your ability to supply your muscles with oxygen is not limited by your breathing (unless you're asthmatic) but by the conditioning of your cardiovascular system to deliver it to your muscles. This is especially true in the 1600m/mile.
With only days to go, not a lot you can do except make sure you don't go out too fast. And don't eat anything too close to the race (within 2hr or so).
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18. Apr 1, 2005 1:55 AM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
trance4mation Said:

"The best 1600m runner needs alot of strength, particularly in the arms.
If you noticed, its your arms that give up in distance races, not your lungs.
Your arms swing fast during the first few minutes in a distance race. Then your arms start to get tired of swinging,and you start to slow down.
My advice would be to do alot of weight lifting a couple weeks before a race"

I have to disagree with you on this one. Strength is required for the 1600, but its power that really gets the job done. When I benched pressed 105 lbs, and curled 80 lbs (both hands) I ran 4:32 (converted from a 1500m). Don't get me wrong, arms are important (if you don't believe us try runnig a 400m sub 70 with your arms behind your back), but there not the only way to decrease your mile time. Plyos and speed training will get you there too!

Lifting the last couple of weeks before a meet will get you no where. Strength gains take time. If you are committed to putting a lifting into your program you should sit down with someone knowledgeable (CSCS or NCSA are strength and conditioning certifications that you can check for) and have them map out a yearly plan for you. Just hitting the weight room can do as much damage as good.

Sorry about the lengthy posts but I love this stuff!

Food: I recommend my athletes eat a 30/30/40 diet (30% of calories from fat, 30% from Protein, 40% from carb). There are others out there, but this one is almost always included in lists of healthy diets. DO NOT USE ATKINS OR SOUTH BEACH!!! When choosing foods, whole grain are better, veggies over fruits, though I don't think fruits are bad. Avoid/limit processed food and especially processed sugar. If you make drastic changes to diet, do it in the off season. Even switching to a healthier diet can have negative affects on your running at first.

Finally, remember, an athlete usually needs a lot more calories that a normal person. (I averaged 4000+ a day when I ran in college).
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19. Apr 1, 2005 4:27 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
ill have to say what trance4mation said is true. i ran cross country and in every race, my arms would give up somewhere in the middle of the race and i would go slower, that is because i have no strength in my arms at all. i never went down to the weight room with my team. i always found a way to avoid weightlifting and i payed for it during my races. everyone who lifted weights did 12min 3200s and i did 15min 3200s.
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21. Apr 1, 2005 9:26 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
it is almost impossible to do a kick in a 1600m race. after 1200m of running in a fast pace, you are breathing too hard to start a sprint. slowly speed up in the last 150m and you should be sprinting in the last 70-100m.
my other advice is to not sprint at all in the beginning of the race and just run the first 800m easily and not too fast but still don't get too far behind. after the 800m pretend like its your last lap and slowly speed up until you reach the 1200m mark. once you reach the 1200m mark, start a full sprint. you wont be able to keep up the full sprint for the last 400m but you should be able to sprint for atleast 200m. after the 200m of sprinting,you should be in intense pain but you should've also passed up alot of people you let pass in the beginning (remember, you just did a speed up from the 800m mark to the 1200m mark, and you also just did a 200m sprint)................ and you will have to run the last 200m suffering without letting ANYONE pass you.
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23. Apr 10, 2005 2:56 AM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
Is 5:06 good for a freshman in indoor at the beginning of the season? What can I do to lower my time?
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24. Apr 10, 2005 6:05 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
yas, its a great time for a freshman whos just startin indoor. i ran a 5:09 my first meet, then i dropped it to about a 4:53 by the end.
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25. Apr 11, 2005 12:51 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
quote:<HR>Originally posted by MileRunner510:
ill have to say what trance4mation said is true. i ran cross country and in every race, my arms would give up somewhere in the middle of the race and i would go slower, that is because i have no strength in my arms at all. i never went down to the weight room with my team. i always found a way to avoid weightlifting and i payed for it during my races. everyone who lifted weights did 12min 3200s and i did 15min 3200s.<HR>


What you are explaining here is not strength, but strength endurance. There is a difference. You were able to move the arms appropriately at first, but then got tired. More strength may help this to some extent, but what you really need is strength endurance. This can be accomplished by doing high reps at low weight or by doing any number of arm drills that will give you strength endurance and an opporunity to work on form.
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27. Apr 12, 2005 8:36 AM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
I?d say, start the race strong, but controlled. Shoot for a lap 1 goal time of 87 seconds. Relax a bit in lap 2, but not two much - go for 92 seconds. Lap 3 relax a bit more but keep close to the same pace - it may not feel like any more relaxing, but just think of it as pooling your remaining resources for the last lap and go for a time of 93 seconds. At the start of lap 4, speed up a bit and shoot for 86 seconds (note your 100m splits because by this point in the race, your bodies conception of pace will be skewed - especially at your level of conditioning) and confirm your pace after the first 100m mark (good 100m split goals for the 4th lap: 1) 22 seconds. 2) 21.5. 3) 21. 4) 20. This equals an 84.5 second lap 4. Keep in mind that you may not meet these split goals, but what is important is that you maintain an average split of 21.5 seconds throughout lap 4. During lap 4 it?s going to hurt, especially if you maintained the times I recommended for the first 3 laps - but just try to think about the fact that after lap 4 you can stop. What works for me is to convince myself that the pain will never end unless I cross the finish line without slowing down, making it much easier to tolerate a few minutes of extreme discomfort than a potential lifetime of it.

..Hoping this post makes sense as I wrote it very quickly.

Good luck on this race.

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29. Apr 14, 2005 2:30 PM in response to: s7r355
Re: 1600m Race
im looking at you guys talking bout negative spits and laughing, because i run about a 5:15 1500 (5:36 mile), and if i ran my first lap in 84 (which would be an even split), or even 82, i think my coach would pull me off of the track. she encourages positive splits, and my splits are usually something like: 77, 2:43, 4:12, 5:15. I never really thought about it before--those two middle laps are disgustingly slow. 77, 86, 89, then the last 300 at 84-pace. ewww...

Oh well...

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