active network espn
Community: Exchange advice in the forums and read running commentary Resources: Personal running log, calculators, links and other tools for runners News: Running news from around the world Training: Articles and advice about fitness, race training and injury prevention Races/Results: Find upcoming races and past results Home: The Cool Running homepage
Cool Running homepage  Search Cool Running Community
32 Replies Last post: Aug 8, 2006 12:23 PM by ian614   1 2 3 Previous Next
Click to view Middistance06's profile Amateur 24 posts since
Jun 20, 2006
Login to Reply

Jun 21, 2006 10:01 AM

Workouts for the Mile

Im going off to college this fall and run track. My coach says I have to get my mile time down to get more money on my scholarship. I run the 400 in a :51 and the 800 in a 2:04 but my 1600 is 4:55. I know that Im capable of droppind my time but my HS didn't have an experienced distance coach and my mile suffered. Any one younger to older can respond. If you have a good workout I'll happily accept. Can you give your age and 1500/1600 and 3200/5k time. Thanks....
Click to view mowjiggens's profile Amateur 33 posts since
Apr 22, 2006
1. Jun 21, 2006 11:50 AM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
just put in alot of miles and lift weights. im a freshman and i run 5:15 in the 1600 and im hoping to get down to sub 4:50 next year and this summer so far i put in 70 miles last week and 80 miles planed for this week with some track workouts for speed. that should do it. as long as you get base in the summer and do cc in the fall u will be good.

------------------
"The man who can drive himself further once the effort gets painful is the man who will win."
Roger Bannister
First man to run a sub 4 minute mile
Click to view exciton's profile Legend 317 posts since
Nov 2, 2004
2. Jun 21, 2006 3:40 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
I actually have the same question as you. I am planning to do a little internet searching to find the answer, in addition to posting the question here. I am 31 and my latest mile time (last Saturday) was a 5:02. Not bad considering I do absolutely zero track work and I weigh about 200 lbs. Maybe it's instructive to look at what I did to get this far, and then add more specific work. I do a lot of hill climbing. Almost all runs will contain hills, which I run through pretty aggressively. A typical weekend long run will go 13 or 14 miles and will include a couple thousand feet of climbing. This provides a good training stimulus for developing strength and endurance. Now you'll want to top that off with some pure speedwork on the track. That's where my question comes in. What do you guys suggest for specific track work?

Would a good start be

10 x 400 at goal pace?

What else?

Thx
Click to view th1nk4yourself's profile Pro 98 posts since
Jun 8, 2005
3. Jun 21, 2006 6:43 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
I'm 20, and my 1500 time is a 4:28 (converts to a 4:48 1600). I'm a girl - just fyi. I'm running in college, and it's a great experience! Anyway - here are a couple workouts we do on my team for the 1500/mile:

3 (4x400) at race pace with 200 jog. My race pace was 71, so that was the goal. In between sets we got 400 jog. We did variations of 400's - different paces for different rest amounts and reps.

3x800m, about 2:24-2:26 pace for me - which means about your desired race pace or slightly slower. Also...I guess I train at altitude, so you can alter your 800's accordingly.

12x200m not all out - about 30-31 for me. So, fast but not too fast because we never stopped running and went straight into a jog for 60 seconds straight over across the field to the 200m mark.

and my favorite (not):

4x400m with 30seconds rest - run the 400's AT RACE PACE - all of them, especially that first one - or else you will suffer the consequences later.

Also, increasing your mileage will help a lot. It helped me tons. I ran a 5:17 mile in high school on 25 miles a week, and now my best mile is a converted 4:50 on 45-50 miles a week.
Click to view Viich's profile Legend 326 posts since
May 27, 2004
4. Jun 21, 2006 7:59 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
quote:<HR>Originally posted by th1nk4yourself:
I'm 20, and my 1500 time is a 4:28 (converts to a 4:48 1600). I'm a girl - just fyi. I'm running in college, and it's a great experience! Anyway - here are a couple workouts we do on my team for the 1500/mile:

3 (4x400) at race pace with 200 jog. My race pace was 71, so that was the goal. In between sets we got 400 jog. We did variations of 400's - different paces for different rest amounts and reps.

3x800m, about 2:24-2:26 pace for me - which means about your desired race pace or slightly slower. Also...I guess I train at altitude, so you can alter your 800's accordingly.

12x200m not all out - about 30-31 for me. So, fast but not too fast because we never stopped running and went straight into a jog for 60 seconds straight over across the field to the 200m mark.

and my favorite (not):

4x400m with 30seconds rest - run the 400's AT RACE PACE - all of them, especially that first one - or else you will suffer the consequences later.

Also, increasing your mileage will help a lot. It helped me tons. I ran a 5:17 mile in high school on 25 miles a week, and now my best mile is a converted 4:50 on 45-50 miles a week.
<HR>


Killer times thinker... same as mine.
27 year old guy.... been running since september 2004

My best 400 is 67 (1st lap of 1500 pb)
best 800 is 2:19 (split from same race)
best 1500 is 4:27
3000 - 9:33

------------------
Craig[/URL" target="_blank">
Craig's Log[/URL" target="_blank">
Click to view mowjiggens's profile Amateur 33 posts since
Apr 22, 2006
5. Jun 21, 2006 10:27 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
on our team we do 2x800 at 2:30 then 4x400 at around 1 min. then 6x200 at 30 sec. all with 100m jog in between. then we finish it up by running acouple miles to get rid of all the latic acid build up.

------------------
"The man who can drive himself further once the effort gets painful is the man who will win."
Roger Bannister
First man to run a sub 4 minute mile
Click to view CoachB008's profile Community Moderator 777 posts since
Apr 27, 2000
6. Jun 22, 2006 5:20 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
I would agree that at this point of the year, lots of miles with hills is a great thing to be doing. Long hills are better.

If you are running along easily and come to a hill that would take anywhere from 2-4 min to ascend, hit it fairly hard. Work hard on maintaining good posture and knee lift. Stay on the balls of your feet and try to have a good pop in your toe off. Come down the backside nice and easy. For longer hills, still concentrate on good running form, just don't power off so hard with each step.

It seems like you could use some tempo runs as well. Go out and do 20-30 minutes at a pace that is comfortably fast. Don't go so hard that you feel like you are racing, just concentrate on being quick and light

Don't worry too much about doing anything really fast all the strength work won't make your speed go away. If you are really worried about your speed, you can do striders 2-3 times per week where you build up to 400 race pace and hold it for 20-40 meters. You have great 400 speed compared to your longer races. What is your main race? With improved stamina, I would say you could pop 1:56-1:58 next year.

Do you even have hills in your area?
Click to view nike84's profile Pro 183 posts since
Aug 13, 2005
8. Jun 26, 2006 9:47 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
quote:<HR>Originally posted by Middistance06:
Im going off to college this fall and run track. My coach says I have to get my mile time down to get more money on my scholarship. I run the 400 in a :51 and the 800 in a 2:04 but my 1600 is 4:55. I know that Im capable of droppind my time but my HS didn't have an experienced distance coach and my mile suffered. Any one younger to older can respond. If you have a good workout I'll happily accept. Can you give your age and 1500/1600 and 3200/5k time. Thanks.... <HR>


You have good 400/800 speed- work on your endurance over the summer ie longer runs of 75-90 mins, hills, fartlek and tempo runs strides. Run some 5k road races for fun. Working on your endurance would help the most you certainly haver good speed. You 400 time is the same as mine. My times for
1500/ 5k are sub 4- 1500/sub 14:30 5k. Good luck
Click to view WRunner124's profile Pro 144 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
9. Jul 1, 2006 7:05 PM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
I dont mean to be rude so dont take it the wrong way but how are you getting a scholarship for that? I didnt recieve any letters from anybody untill i broke 435 and ran 200. Those were DIII schools and NAIA schools & one DII school. Once i broke 420 i got quite a bit more attention but by then i had already decided what school i was gion too and was happy where i was going.

BUT to answer yoru question there is a workout that i believe you can judge your fitness off of at any time in the year. I did this workout 4 times this past track season and it is
12x400 w/ 45 second rest @ race pace (begginning of the year 68's, then down to 63's) Whatever your avg pace is for all your 400's thats a good indicator on what your mile pace is.
18/M
400-51.5
800-1:57.92
1600-4:15.25
Mile-4:16.95

Good luck at Maryland

------------------
My Profile[/URL" target="_blank">
Click to view AndyHass's profile Legend 1,385 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
11. Jul 3, 2006 11:44 AM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
Might want to have a serious discussion with your coach as to exactly what contribution you are expected to make to the team. I can see how training to really improve your 1500m might hurt you or at least stop your improvement in the jumping events. There's a reason jumpers usually don't run anything over 400/800..
Click to view AndyHass's profile Legend 1,385 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
13. Dec 21, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: Middistance06
Re: Workouts for the Mile
I still think you should convince him you're a double-threat at 400m (51!!! geeze that's smokin') or 800m.

For your situation, I'd recommend getting some base mileage in but concentrate on it much less than someone who didn't have a scholarship based on their jumping. While improvement from intervals is more limited, I'd focus more on short-recovery intervals as a partial replacement for bulk mileage. Sort of a "concentrate on strengths" approach more than "mitigate weaknesses", which would be my usual recommendation.

I'd also make jumping and explosive plyometric drills a key part of your mileage program. This would help mitigate losses in that area while you gain aerobic ability.

http://This message has been edited by AndyHass (edited Jul-03-2006).