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Click to view sadrunner123's profile Expert 42 posts since
Jun 24, 2006

Jun 30, 2006 10:33 PM

alcohol, friend or foe?

hey last night, well really like 2 in the morning today, i went to a party and got ****faced pretty bad. anyway it was all fun and everything but was sort of scared this incident would put me behind a couple of workouts. so later that day at like 4pm i go out on a 3 mile run and notice it felt like the fastest 3 miles for practice i have ever done. and when i looked at the clock it was only about a 23 min run. now it is common knowledge that alcohol is basically all carbs(anyone know if it is complex carbs or the carbs like sugar?) so that could be a reason. now please dont be narrowminded and automatically say alcohol is bad without explaning it. but it seems like we all should get drunk more often and only get 1 hour of sleep and mess around with girls:P
Click to view AndyHass's profile Legend 1,385 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
1. Jul 1, 2006 8:16 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
Most alcoholic beverages have quite a few carbs...whether they are simple or complex depends upon what you were drinking (beer has more complex while some hard drinks and wine will have simple sugars).

Whatever benefit you might get from carbs is counter-acted by the alcohol. First, it dehydrates you unless you drink copious amounts of water before you crawl to bed. Second, it wrecks the quality of your sleep. Third, the aldehyde byproducts that cause the hangover make you feel like **** and stress your body.
Click to view GreenEggsAndHam's profile Legend 314 posts since
Jun 4, 2006
2. Jul 10, 2006 9:02 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyHass:
Most alcoholic beverages have quite a few carbs...whether they are simple or complex depends upon what you were drinking (beer has more complex while some hard drinks and wine will have simple sugars).

Whatever benefit you might get from carbs is counter-acted by the alcohol. First, it dehydrates you unless you drink copious amounts of water before you crawl to bed. Second, it wrecks the quality of your sleep. Third, the aldehyde byproducts that cause the hangover make you feel like **** and stress your body.
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I agree with all this except that it wrecks the quality of your sleep. Unless I get totally trashed, I sleep a lot sounder after drinking. (Normally dream a lot, often nightmares-- alchohol, it's flat sleep and I feel far more rested after the same amount of sleep)
Click to view Allstarsoccer101's profile Amateur 22 posts since
Mar 22, 2006
3. Aug 5, 2006 8:53 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
Idiot. Of course it wrecks the quality of your sleep.

Yeah, you pass out and sleep sound as a rock but while your muscles rebuild during an alcohol free nights sleep, they do not rebuild as strong or as quickly when alcohol is present.

Alcohol wrecks the quality of your sleep thus wrecks the quality of your recovery period.
Click to view newguy56's profile Pro 141 posts since
Jul 19, 2006
4. Aug 5, 2006 9:44 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
Another moron getting $hitfaced drunk.

WHY?

Would you take a hammer and hit yourself in the head?

Look enjoying a few beers a nice bottle of wine some shots ot tekillya whatever you enjoy, why would ya get to the point of too much too drunk and too out of control?

Maybe because you are as dumb as the rest of the people who have no will power.
Click to view CoachB008's profile Community Moderator 777 posts since
Apr 27, 2000
5. Aug 6, 2006 11:16 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
I also have had good runs after getting toasted (mostly during my college days). I think this is more a lesson in succeeding despite my best efforts to mess myself up.

However, limiting the alcohol consumption to 1-2 drinks and then drinking water prior to bed often seems to have really good effects for me.
Click to view gurutc's profile Amateur 29 posts since
Nov 28, 2005
6. Dec 21, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
Alcohol = FOE

Here in SC the heat index has been from 100 to nearly 120 degrees for most of the summer. Very few runners are doing speedword right now, but I'm having no trouble. I was having trouble, until I gave up beer

Besides the effect alcohol has on both your glycogen cycle and liver, which is bad bad, it also kills your cooling. This is just my experience, but science backs up the underlying principal, Any alcohol at all will totally screw up your body's ability to cool efficiently.

And the following statement:

'However, limiting the alcohol consumption to 1-2 drinks and then drinking water prior to bed often seems to have really good effects for me.'

Is especially scary because a big part of a hangover is over-hydration. You're just short of water-poisoning. That's why your head hurts. So then you take some ibuprofen right? Well that's one of the top risk factors for hyponatremia. Then you're thirsty, so you suck down some more water before the race. See where this is leading?

That's my 2 cents, and man, I miss beer, but not as much as I enjoy being able to run 400 intervals when it's 100 degrees out. Right now, if you stay away from alcohol, you can lay a cooling base for the entire fall and spring seasons.

- gurutc

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Click to view newguy56's profile Pro 141 posts since
Jul 19, 2006
7. Dec 21, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by gurutc:
Alcohol = FOE

Here in SC the heat index has been from 100 to nearly 120 degrees for most of the summer. Very few runners are doing speedword right now, but I'm having no trouble. I was having trouble, until I gave up beer

Besides the effect alcohol has on both your glycogen cycle and liver, which is bad bad, it also kills your cooling. This is just my experience, but science backs up the underlying principal, Any alcohol at all will totally screw up your body's ability to cool efficiently.

And the following statement:

'However, limiting the alcohol consumption to 1-2 drinks and then drinking water prior to bed often seems to have really good effects for me.'

Is especially scary because a big part of a hangover is over-hydration. You're just short of water-poisoning. That's why your head hurts. So then you take some ibuprofen right? Well that's one of the top risk factors for hyponatremia. Then you're thirsty, so you suck down some more water before the race. See where this is leading?

That's my 2 cents, and man, I miss beer, but not as much as I enjoy being able to run 400 intervals when it's 100 degrees out. Right now, if you stay away from alcohol, you can lay a cooling base for the entire fall and spring seasons.

- gurutc

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Excellent response.

I have done this also.

The NC summer is a bit different than the northwestern nj summers I have lived thru for 50 years.

By the way when does the humidity quit?
Click to view psychgirl78's profile Rookie 4 posts since
May 13, 2005
9. Aug 10, 2006 2:24 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
I think something that has been left out of this conversation as well is the age-factor! When I was 19-23 I could do a lot of things that I can't since about 25 on. After 25 it's all downhill biologically-speaking and that needs to be taken into consideration. Now that I'm pushing 30 I can't run the same as I used to, my recovery time takes longer, and I need more days off running.

Just my two cents.
Click to view RyW's profile Rookie 1 posts since
Jun 25, 2006
10. Aug 10, 2006 3:30 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
I toke up before long runs sometimes cuz it relaxes me and keeps my mind off the distance, as well as dulls the pain. Suprisingly, my times aren't too bad. I guess that has nothing to do with alcohol, but i bet its alright, just not everytime, it will weaken your muscles.
Click to view Johnnystella7's profile Pro 114 posts since
Jul 4, 2006
12. Aug 10, 2006 8:09 PM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by psychgirl78:
I think something that has been left out of this conversation as well is the age-factor! When I was 19-23 I could do a lot of things that I can't since about 25 on. After 25 it's all downhill biologically-speaking and that needs to be taken into consideration. Now that I'm pushing 30 I can't run the same as I used to, my recovery time takes longer, and I need more days off running.

Just my two cents.
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Lol, it was also about the age of 25 when I first heard me say, "Kids these days, sheesh."


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Click to view gennaver's profile Amateur 29 posts since
Oct 15, 2007
13. Dec 21, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
quote:<HR>Originally posted by sadrunner123:
hey last night, well really like 2 in the morning today, i went to a party and got ****faced pretty bad. ...<HR>


I know of several woman runners who used to have some 'hair of the vodka dog' on the way to xc and track races, (they were of legal age and took their booze liberties freely). They happened to be very fast for what its worth but, I doubt it was related to the juice.
Gen

edited to add: no doubt these same girls were working hard on becoming alcoholics for life too as well as hiding behind the booze rather than learn to cope and endure their sport, they already learned to summon courage from a bottle rather than from their own character



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Click to view newguy56's profile Pro 141 posts since
Jul 19, 2006
14. Aug 13, 2006 7:12 AM in response to: sadrunner123
Re: alcohol, friend or foe?
Funny how i find college atheletes are sometimes no different in their alcohol abuse as the rest of the students on the campus. american culture and a 21 year old drinking age are trouble, then get to be away from home at college and well alcohol abuse runs rampant.

heck have you watched the MTV real world, everyone gets trashed everytime they go to a bar.

Learning to respect the devil in that bottle, make one a better person, plus a person who will feel an awful lot better the next morning.

I have watched runners even at the high school level show up saturday mornings for practice and look like crp all around to find out they had been drinking friday night to 2am.

Just stupidity.