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Click to view blkaykay8's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Jul 3, 2007
120. Jul 11, 2007 11:49 PM in response to: coloradolora
Jen,

I am 8 1/2 weeks post op. I am also having a hard time with my hip flexors. I was told that I had tendonitis in it before the surgery and it is getting even worse. PT is now able to get in there and work on it because they had to wait for the doctor to say it was ok.

I had stitches in mine so I didn't get the irritation. They actually told me that they healed up quite nicely. I am just a little upset because they are in the middle of my thigh so you can see them in shorts.

I also do the pool about every day and it is the best comfort that I can get. At first I was struggling getting in and out but have been able to find an easy way to get in and out. I walk in the pool alot or just float around in the pool. It really does feel great and it helps with the pain for a while.

I am still icing the hip almost every day. As of right now I am doing strengthening excercises, massage on the hip flexors, and the bike. I am able to do 8 minutes with full rotation but still can't walk, sit or stand with out pain. I actually got lucky with physical therapy because my physical therapist had the surgery about 4 years ago and she suffered through it for 4 years before they diagnosised her. She also had the same surgeon as me so it makes it easier because she knows what I am going through.

I had mine done at UMASS Memorial Center in MA by Dr. Brian Busconi. How about yourself?

I am trying to remember to take the alleve every day and have put it right by the side of my bed where my alarm clock sits so I hope that will be a great reminder.
Click to view jentheroadrunner's profile Amateur 33 posts since
Jul 11, 2007
121. Jul 12, 2007 12:01 AM in response to: coloradolora
I had the surgery performed by Orthopedic Associates in Denver, CO by Dr. Vidal. The team at Ortho Associates work with the majority of the pro-athletes in Denver and I had been working with another Doc for a disk problem in my back Dr. Vidal is young but specialized in this surgery for her fellowship and has a good reputation here in Denver. I actually nannied for a neuro-surgeon in college and he reccommended Phillipon in Vail but then I talked to my PT and he said great things about Vidal so I chose to stay in Denver (so I could take the summer classes in Boulder) versus have to stay in Vail.

Good luck with everything...it is very frustrating and I often feel I take two-steps forward, one and a half steps back. Some days are much better than others and I am sick of the crutches. I hope your PT can figure something out with your hip flexors...it is very painful.

As far as the scar which shows...I have hear from my sister (she's a Doc) that the neosporin scar solution sheets work...you have to wear them for a long time but they're supposed to help fade the scars...it's worth a shot!
Click to view mtnmuse's profile Amateur 9 posts since
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122. Jul 12, 2007 12:57 AM in response to: coloradolora
I'm new to this forum and this problem. Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories. Here's my main question: Has anyone had a labral tear confirmed in surgery that didn't show up on an MRI with contrast?

I think I have typical symptoms of a labral tear. Sharp pain deep in my hip joint when my hip is flexed and rotated in or if I pivot when the leg is weighted. Walking much at all, especially up and down hills and stairs aggravates it. There is some popping and sometimes it feels like the joint catches up on something. Doing much of anything with my leg makes it much worse. If I am careful how I move and don't do much, it doesn't bother me much but not a great way to live. I think I injured it jumping off some rocks when I was hiking a couple months ago.

Anyway, my doctor thinks I have a labral tear and that arthroscopic surgery is probably my best option. The MRI with contrast seems pretty benign to me. The MRI report says "Moderately prominent superior acetabular labrum with minimal degenerative free edge fraying, without tear identified." Minimal degenerative fraying sounds like something that would come from wear and tear over time and have more gradual onset of symptoms. Doesn?t seem like it would cause this much pain that developed within a couple weeks of a fall. My doctor says they can smooth down the fray (he described it like melting the edge back together) and physically check for a tear while they are in there. He says the tear just might not have shown up on the MRI. I am hesitant to go to surgery without more of a smoking gun.

I am considering a cortisone injection to see if treating the inflammation will fix it rather than going to the surgery that seems exploratory to me. Since I have to wait a month anyway to even see the guy in my doctor's office who would do the surgery and about the same to get the opinion from Dr Phillippon up in Vail, Colorado, seems like the thing to try.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

-Sue
Click to view jentheroadrunner's profile Amateur 33 posts since
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123. Jul 12, 2007 11:55 PM in response to: coloradolora
Sue -
It sounds to me like a labral tear. I experienced the same symptoms (I couldn't clip out of my bike petals without horrible pain). My back doctor at Orthopedic Associates informally diagnosed it w/out an MRI by rotating the foot. I opted to do PT/Pilates for about 9 months to see if it would get any better and guess what...it didn't. So, I went ahead and had the MRI and got the surgery two weeks after the MRI confirmed the tear.

The thing is, if it is fraying it is causing inflamation in the hip joint and could be causing an arthritic hip. If I had not acted on my surgery the bone spur would have eventually caused damage to the head of my femur AND the hip joint.

Another thought...have the done an X-ray? I did not have one prior to the scope, only the MRI and when they got in there they found the huge impingement that probably caused the tear. If they can re-attatch the labral they will, otherwise they just remove it and clean out the area. I guess I am thinking there is a possibility you could have a bone spur causing the fraying as well as the horrible pain...but I am not a doc!

As far as the surgery goes...I was told by my doc that they would NOT know the exact condition of the tear/hip until they actually got in there with the scope. Anything is better then the chronic pain so I think the surgery is worth a shot...just know it isn't an easy road.
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Jan 30, 2007
124. Jul 14, 2007 12:17 PM in response to: coloradolora
Gosh, it's tough reading some of your responses about your recovery. I'm sorry for what you're going through. As a follow-up to my earlier post, I'm now 11 days post-surgery, and it's gone extremely well. As I mentioned earlier, I was off crutches in three days. I was walking slowly by day four and normally by day six. Certainly a number of people (friends / family / co-workers) have been surprised to see me up and about, as I had told them I would be on crutches for weeks. A few have asked me when I will be having the surgery!

I returned to the surgeon (Dr. Koh) earlier this week and he looked over the area and performed some motion tests. He said everything looked good and the tests went well. By no means do I have full range of motion, but movements that used to be quite painful now just feel "tight" instead. He removed the steri strips over the surgical incisions and all looked well. There are three small scars, all about the size of a paper cut. They don't itch or hurt in any way.

As for the procedure, he said he performed debridement and a bone shave. Due to the relatively small size of the tear, he did not suture back the cartilage, which perhaps is why my recovery has been quick.

In this phase, he is sending me for 8 weeks of twice a week p.t. He is keeping on Celebrex (2x per day, 200mg each) to prevent bone formation in the area of the shave.

I have the greenlight to workout, but no running or anything that would require me to raise me knee. Biking (on a high seat), swimming, and weights are fine. The elliptical is ok at a flat or very low level incline. No StairMaster. I'm seeing Dr. Koh again in a couple of months and hopefully he will say it's ok to begin some light running.

Hutch, sorry I don't have any special number for his office. I've always used the main number and been patched through. He does have an assistant that you can ask for if the schedulers are not being helpful, although I'm not sure if you'll do much better than September at this point. I called in late March and got an early May appointment, which is only a little faster than what they're offering you. Certainly if you do schedule an appointment, you should be sure that you have the x-rays and MR Arthrogram results sent to his office in advance so you can move into serious discussion right away.

Maybe this just went smoother for me as compensation for the horrible recovery I had from a fasciotomy several years ago. In any event, I won't really know the results of the surgery until I've completed p.t. and am out there running pain-free. I'm certainly happy to answer any more questions if you have them.

Best of luck to all of you.
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Jul 14, 2007
125. Jul 14, 2007 11:11 PM in response to: coloradolora
Hi everyone, this is my first post on this forum. I really want to add my story because reading everybody else's has been a great comfort to me.
I am scheduled for a hip arthroscope to repair a labral tear on 31st July.
My problems began in July 2006, when I thought I felt something 'pull' in my hip/groin area while out running. I was running about 40k a week at that time, and had never had any injury problems. I kept running although the pain didn't subside. I was getting terrible pain in my hip, although it normally didn't come on until I'd run a couple of k, although it caused me to limp afterwards. A couple of weeks later I realised I wasn't healing on my own, so I went to see an osteopath. He worked on me five or six times, said he thought it was possibly Bursitis, and prescribed anti-inflammatories. (to no effect, as it wasn't Bursitis) In this time, I had intermittent weeks off training, hoping to heal. Nothing worked, I got frustrated, so stopped going to the osteo. I was cutting back on my running, and just dealing with the pain, stopping when it was too bad. Also, about a month after the original injury I started getting a terrible pain along the side of my knee after I'd run a few k. This was worse even than the hip pain.
So there was a period of maybe a month where I was just frustrated, didn't know what to do, and wasn't seeing any medical professionals. (I really liked my osteo but didn't want to keep spending the money for no gain). Things got worse and I started having pain in my thigh, and all down the side of my leg. I went to my GP. He wasn't too interested, told me I'd probably 'torn some muscle', and told me to find a physiotherapist. I found a physio that a friend recommended. Because of the pain in my thigh and down my leg, he believed that a nerve might be impinged in my spine. I went and saw him for five or six weeks, running intermittently. Sometimes I would have a good run and could run about 5k with no pain. Sometimes the pain was terrible, especially if I was running two days in a row. I told the physio I wasn't happy, and he wrote a letter to my GP recommending a CT of my lumbar spine. This showed nothing.
By this stage, the symptoms of almost constant pain pulsing down my leg had confused the issue. I kept telling all these doctors that I felt it was my hip but found no agreement from them.
After the CT of my spine came back, the GP referred me to a sports physician. He found that I had trigger points in my back that were causing the pains down my leg, and referred me to a new physiotherapist (who is great, and I am still with) to sort out my back. By this stage, about six months into the injury, I could hardly run, and was even in a lot of pain just walking (all from the hip). I had no improvement in the hip or in my leg pain from anything the physio did, and he tried many different things.

FINALLY, the physio listened to me properly and performed those simple hip rotater tests and confirmed that yes, I had an irritable hip! Based on his word, the sports physician ordered an MRI with contrast (yay!) and a cortisone injection into the hip, which I had on the same day. The injection caused an enormous amount of pain for about 24 hours, and I never had any relief from it. It just didn't work for me.

The MRI showed 'Equivocal findings for a small partial thickness articular surface tear of the anterior superior labrum'. The equivocal bit had me stumped. I went back to see the sports physician about six weeks after the MRI and cortisone injection - he had wanted me to try and go for a run before going to see him, to see whether the cortisone had had an effect. I had a TERRIBLE run, the pain after about 1.5k was just horrible, and I came home and cried. However, at this consultation the doctor found that I had 'gluteal trigger points' which he thought were causing the pain down the side of my leg (which was now all the way down into my foot and toes, and was constant). He sent me back to the physio to work on that, and again the hip was put on the backburner.

After another 3 or 4 weeks, I had no improvements from the physio (big surprise!). This time when I went back to the sports physician, he organised two things for me - an epidural in my spine as an analgesic for the pain down my leg, and a meeting with an orthopaedic surgeon. I had to wait about two months just to see the surgeon. In the meantime I had the epidural (expensive and uncomfortable) which unfortunately has also not helped with the pain down my leg. I have now had that time CONSTANTLY for six months. I have no relief whether sitting, standing, lying down, nothing. I can sometimes be distracted from the pain when I am walking, but only because I am then in a lot of pain from my hip! I spent nearly three months on anti-inflammatories, which never had any effect.

When I finally got to see the surgeon, he looked at my MRI and said I definitely have a labral tear, and that he wanted to do an arthroscope. He had no doubts whatsoever, and explained that nothing but surgery can treat this problem. He also seemed to think that a lot of the other pain I get is probably related to the hip joint being injured. The back etc is compensanting, which from reading this forum seems to be a common problem. It may also explain the terrible pain I get alongside my knee when running (not that I have done that for about four months now!)

I am quite concerned about the recovery from surgery but have no choice but to remain optimistic. My surgeon operated on a friend of mine, Trav, in late December 2006 (an arthroscope to clear up 'loose bodies' in the hip joint). We went camping for New Year's and he was already doing really well. However, he is an international level athlete so maybe his fitness level had something to do with his excellent recovery!

There have been some very difficult things for me over the last year. 1 - the difficulties of diagnosis.
2 - family and friends not understanding the injury (how could they, when even the doctors couldn't explain it)
3- the pain obviously.
4 - To go from running 40k a week & training for and competing in fun run's and absolutely loving it, to not being able to run at all, has been so depressing. I did start doing pilates, and swimming, and some other things, but none give me the joy that running did.

My apologies for making this post so ridiculously long, but I just wanted to get my story out there. I especially hope that it might help with anyone else who is having trouble with diagnosis.

I am happy to answer any questions.
Click to view springfort's profile Rookie 4 posts since
Jul 15, 2007
126. Jul 15, 2007 9:41 PM in response to: coloradolora
I had surgery a few weeks ago. I'm now having soreness in the groin. Has anyone else experienced this a few weeks into their recovery?
Click to view blkaykay8's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Jul 3, 2007
127. Jul 15, 2007 11:25 PM in response to: coloradolora
Sofia,

I had the same problem the third week after surgery. I was told to stop being aggresive with the hip and therapy and to take a week and to try and calm it down. During that time, I went back to icing and elevating it like I did right after the surgery. I was told to take 2 alleve in the morning and at night to see how that worked.

If that does not work call the doctor. I called them and they gave me a prescription medicine.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
Click to view mtnmuse's profile Amateur 9 posts since
Jul 11, 2007
128. Jul 15, 2007 11:52 PM in response to: coloradolora
Jentheroadrunner,

Thanks for your reply. You are probably right about the tear. I just can't get behind the surgery yet without more proof that it is my only real option. I haven't heard from anyone who had a tear confirmed in surgery that didn't show up on the MRI +Contr. At first I was excited that the MRI didn't show a tear. My doctor says that imaging technique is too new on this problem to rule out a tear. Now I feel a little like I'm in limbo.

Anyway, I was thinking of trying the steroid treatment since I have to wait a month anyway to see the surgeon and also to get the second opinion. I haven't seen too much encouraging about the steroid treatment though. I guess if it doesn't help, it is one more piece of evidence that there might be a tear.

-Sue
Click to view aj2673's profile Amateur 12 posts since
Jun 20, 2007
129. Jul 16, 2007 10:27 AM in response to: coloradolora
lakeview- thats awesome that you are recovering so well!! my surgery is scheduled for aug 3 and i was wondering if you had any suggestions for pre-op? did you do any specific stretching? my pt says to do almost no stretching or it will become irritated?
sue-
i think the most important thing right now is for you to attempt to schedule a surgery. i had to wait 6 weeks (it wsa supposed to be 8, but i was on a cancellation list), and i am sooo impatient at this point. did they do this test- lie on your back with hurt leg bent, dr kind of bends your knee a little more and then starts rotating around the hip joint? its a pretty specific point where it goes from no pain to pain. i think they can tell if the torn part of the labrum catches.
Click to view gburgdiscus's profile Amateur 19 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
130. Jul 16, 2007 9:53 PM in response to: coloradolora
Like many of you I have been struggling with a torn labrum for a long time. I am a 20 year old college track athlete who was injured at a track meet about 18 months ago (which seems like forever). Since then I have had chronic achy hip pain and been trying everything to get rid of the pain.I went to an orthopedist at school last October who told diagnosed me with "tendonitis, bursitis, ?" and sent me to PT. After PT was unsuccesful he told me that I needed to look at my life and decide if I wanted to continue in college athletics because "It's not like you're a division 1 athlete". Needless to say I was frusterated with his response and decided to power through my track season (October - May).
For the last year I have been trying anything to relieve my pain. This has included PT, lots of NSAID's, ice, heat, stratching, chiropractic medicine, accupuncture, non-weight bearing exercise, anything the athletic trainers would offer me (e-stim, massage, ultrasound), and serious activity restrictions.

After coming home from school in late May I decided to really give it a rest and see if doing no athletic activities would help- it only made it feel worse. My parents realized that something really wasn't right and made me an appointment with a new orthopedist. Within 10 minutes he told me he thought I had a torn labrum. An MRI w/ contrast confirmed his thoughts, the tear was so obvious I could see it clear as day.

My surgery is now 9 days away. I'm not too nervous because I have been working in an OR all summer as a student intern. I pray that the doctor will be able to fix the tear and that this will be the beginning of the end for my hip pain. For anyone who is reading this and frusterated with their own hip pain, hang in there!! I was so mad at the beginning of the summer because I thought there would never be an answer to my hip pain. I am too young and too active to have this for the rest of my life. Good luck to everyone, I'll keep you updated after surgery.

Jane
Click to view jentheroadrunner's profile Amateur 33 posts since
Jul 11, 2007
131. Jul 16, 2007 10:24 PM in response to: coloradolora
Hey everyone!

Jane - best of luck w/your surgery. Hang tough!

Sue - as far as the cortisone injection goes it may only provide temporary relief or if it's something else it may get you over the "hump". I have had two in the back (one for my SI joint the other for a disc). The first one worked for about 3 weeks and the 2nd one did nothing. It's worth a try if you are still aprehensive about the diagnosis...

I don't know who was talking about groin pain at about 3 weeks but yes, I experienced the same thing at the 3 week mark exactly. I called the doc freaking out thinking that I did something because I hadn't had any pain or sorness in that area. I was actually JUST beginning to put weight on that leg (20% of body weight) and it wrecked havoc on the groin/outer part of my leg/incisions. It is now MUCH better (I am at 4 weeks 3 days today). It is amazing to me that the weight of my foot (I'm a size 11) could hurt so much. I do the aleeve trick 2x morning and night and it seems to help...

To everyone else, things are getting better. I feel better this week than I have since my diagnosis even though I am STILL on crutches for two more weeks (6 total). I'm getting an x-ray on the 25th to check out the area where the bone spur was. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that everything keeps on track...
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132. Jul 17, 2007 8:35 AM in response to: coloradolora
jentheroadrunner,
I've you been on crutches the whole time? I've been off mine for about 2 weeks but I'm thinking of getting on them again. I've groin pain now and it's probably due to doing too much after getting off the crutches. Did you slow down with your rehab after you got groin pain?
Click to view blkaykay8's profile Amateur 13 posts since
Jul 3, 2007
133. Jul 17, 2007 4:29 PM in response to: coloradolora
Sofia,

I was on crutches for 7 weeks after my surgery because of the groin pain. For 2 of those weeks, I was on one crutch. I am completely off the crutches now but am still getting pain but they think mine is from the hip flexors.

Do you happen to notice alot of swelling in your hip?
Click to view springfort's profile Rookie 4 posts since
Jul 15, 2007
134. Jul 17, 2007 5:01 PM in response to: coloradolora
I've not noticed any hip swelling yet. The hip is tight and the groin sore. I also have a click in my hip now that I didn't have before surgery. Has anyone had that happened?