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19 Replies Last post: Dec 9, 2006 11:06 PM by cassyrandolph   1 2 Previous Next
Click to view cassyrandolph's profile Amateur 13 posts since
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Dec 5, 2006 9:12 PM

Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness

Hi,

This "pain in my butt" has been bothering me for almost two months. I keep running through it, but each time I increase my pace, I feel my left hamstring just tighten up and my leg goes kind of stiff. I almost feel like a crab running to the side. The pain starts up in my left sciatic, so I am pretty sure it is referal pain (tightness) in the hammy.

My question is: Has anyone had this? What treatment did you seek? Did it work? and Did you have to rest from running for a while? How long?

Thanks for the input

Crab runner!
Click to view retrorocket's profile Amateur 17 posts since
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1. Dec 6, 2006 10:42 AM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
Have you always had tight hamstrings? My situation is a little different, but i will share my experience with you, for what it is worth. I have sciatic pain due to a back injury, so that is different. However, if it is a tight hamstring that is the root you can try some of the exercises my physical therapist has me doing to increase flexibility in my hamstrings. You start out lieing on your back with both legs straight. Lift one leg straight up and use both hands to hold it behind the knee. Keep your leg straight and then flex your foot up and down, as if you were on your tip toes to bringing your toes towards your knee. Alternate legs and also the height at which your leg is off the ground. For me about 45% is where it is the tightest. I have had my wife hold my leg just above the ankle at that angle so that i can do the exercises, i have enough scar tissue that it takes a lot of effort to hold my leg straight and move my foot like that. I also do it with my leg bent at an angle. Yours is probably a lot less severe than mine however. It took me a couple of weeks to see a difference, and then still have to keep after it.

You might also want to visit a chiropractor just to make sure that you don't have somthing out of alignment, my problem started out as only a little pain in my lower back.
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2. Dec 6, 2006 11:07 AM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
I drove a truck for a while about 6 years ago and ended up having siatica pain on and off for 3 years after. I didn't have the hamstring tighness like you but this is the stretch that relived my siatic nerve pain.


http://www.spine-health.com/topics/conserv/sciaex/sciaex06b.html[/URL" target="_blank">

PS I always put my foot on the floor on the outside of the knee when I do this strectch
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3. Dec 6, 2006 12:36 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
Yowie! I have basically this same problem and it would hurt like crazy to straighten my leg up in this fashion. I can't extend my right (bad) leg and keep it straight, even bending over and shaving that leg causes pain in the lower butt/upper hamstring area. I wish I had an answer, but I don't. I've had problems with it for 3 years and recently had to take over 5 months off from running to seek physical therapy. No fun. I had a lot of muscle imbalance and it has improved with different exercises, but isn't gone completely.

quote:<HR>Originally posted by retrorocket:
Have you always had tight hamstrings? My situation is a little different, but i will share my experience with you, for what it is worth. I have sciatic pain due to a back injury, so that is different. However, if it is a tight hamstring that is the root you can try some of the exercises my physical therapist has me doing to increase flexibility in my hamstrings. You start out lieing on your back with both legs straight. Lift one leg straight up and use both hands to hold it behind the knee. Keep your leg straight and then flex your foot up and down, as if you were on your tip toes to bringing your toes towards your knee. Alternate legs and also the height at which your leg is off the ground. For me about 45% is where it is the tightest. I have had my wife hold my leg just above the ankle at that angle so that i can do the exercises, i have enough scar tissue that it takes a lot of effort to hold my leg straight and move my foot like that. I also do it with my leg bent at an angle. Yours is probably a lot less severe than mine however. It took me a couple of weeks to see a difference, and then still have to keep after it.

You might also want to visit a chiropractor just to make sure that you don't have somthing out of alignment, my problem started out as only a little pain in my lower back.
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4. Dec 6, 2006 2:00 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
I have a bad back injury which when aggravated gives me the same symptons. What I do is ice my back twice a day, sometimes more de pending on how it feels. I also take advil twice a day regardless how I feel it helps my back and legs stay loose and stretch after running, This works for me. Good luck take your time you can work thru this.
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5. Dec 21, 2007 1:23 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
quote:<HR>Originally posted by runrgrl1:
Yowie! I have basically this same problem and it would hurt like crazy to straighten my leg up in this fashion. I can't extend my right (bad) leg and keep it straight, even bending over and shaving that leg causes pain in the lower butt/upper hamstring area. I wish I had an answer, but I don't. I've had problems with it for 3 years and recently had to take over 5 months off from running to seek physical therapy. No fun. I had a lot of muscle imbalance and it has improved with different exercises, but isn't gone completely.



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Sounds very familiar, except i don't shave my legs, my wife would probably think that was a little weird. Straightening my leg would take every bit of effort i could manage. My physical therapist said some people get better slowly (like me) and some would feel it "break loose". It is panful to do the exercise, but the therapist said that is what it was going to take. I tried sitting and reaching for my toes, but that left my back unsupported and made the problem worse. I would recommend to anyone who has sciatic pain to not mess around and find out what that individual needs to do to fix it. I spent most of my life not being able to hurt myself, now it seems i can hurt myself just breathing. i recently injured my knee/lower leg due to imbalances/decreased flexibility on my left side. Aussiegal, your problems are likely not that serious, but what i have been through, i would recommend doing a LOT of hamstring streching exercises or at least getting it checked out.

William, that is a very good site you linked to, and that is another exercise that i did. This picture from that site is the closest to what really helped for me.
http://www.spine-health.com/topics/conserv/easyexercise/easyexercise01c.html[/URL" target="_blank">

Only difference was that i "wiggled" my foot up and down which is designed to move the sciatic nerve through it's range of motion.

sorry, had to fix my spelling-again.

http://This message has been edited by retrorocket (edited Dec-06-2006).
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6. Dec 6, 2006 4:38 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
The wiggling part, that sort of sounds like what my pt did and called it "nerve flossing". A big part of my pt and that which was most successful, was the therapist rubbing the muscle at the ischial tuberosity/hamstring insertion point. He could feel that the muscle was not smooth and had to literally rub out the ropiness. He said the next step would probably be to get a cortisone shot (oh what fun!) because that can help with the healing. I personally get lower back pain along with the butt pain, they seem to go hand in hand when things are flared up.
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7. Dec 6, 2006 6:41 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
Did you get the cortisone shot? I have had three (2 this year and 1 about 2 years ago) they really aren't bad. Takes very little time also. They say it takes several days to feel a difference but i felt it helping out within 1 day, and a significatn difference in a week. I made huge jumps forward in my recovery after the shots, if you haven't done it i really recomend it.
I never heard the nerve flossing term before but it sounds exactly like what they were trying to accomplish with me. The bound up nerve would cause my leg, back and everything else to tighten up to protect what it saw was a threat. It would freak out when i tried to extend my leg to much or over-stride, which sounds a little like what aussiegal has going on. Mine was constant though and very acute, so i think for aussiegal just stretching that hammy will probably make a huge difference..
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8. Dec 6, 2006 7:18 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
No, I have not had the shot yet. I guess it's in a very hard spot to get at, which explains why this has been such a bear to tackle. It's under a tendon. The last time I had it rubbed out I had to lay on my stomach and he really managed to cause me some pain . Stretching the upper hamstring seems to cause more harm than good for me so I try to stay clear of it. It's kind of a common sense thing, I think. When I dealt with an acute ITB problem years ago and the physical therapists were telling me to stretch stretch stretch, it wasn't until I manage to find a stretch that didn't cause pain I started to improve. I had to find a way to stretch 'around' the injury site w/out involing the injured muslce itself. That's just my thoughts on the matter, however. Doesn't mean it's right.
Also something that I think has been aggrevating this particular injury is trying to change my footstrike from heel to more of a midfoot landing. I wish I'd never started messing with it, that's for sure.

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9. Dec 8, 2006 11:17 AM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
Sounds like your situation is a little differnt than mine. When i had my first shot a couple of years ago, it didn't work, it was in the wrong spot. They had a choice of 2 spots and the first one was unsuccessful. went back about 3 weeks later and they changed the location, got a very quick reponse (couple of days) and it had a dramatic effect on my recovery.

Aussiegal did we help you? hinder? Hijack your thread? didn't mean to do that last two so hopefully we did help some.
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10. Dec 8, 2006 12:04 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
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Oops! Sorry, too, about hijacking this thread!
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12. Dec 21, 2007 1:24 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
I went to a chiropractor just yesterday, actually, and he did a couple manipulations and a bit of ART treatment. I laid on my side and he totally extended my bad leg and tried to release the tight muscles. Oh man......... talk about painful! It did seem to help and I could run this morning with less discomfort, however as the day goes on I tend to get stiffer and stiffer.
Good luck! Maybe you have age on your side. I'm pert near 46 so that's probably not helping matters.

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13. Dec 8, 2006 3:07 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
I understand about not being able to extend your leg, i still can't do it, at least not without help. For me they told me as long as you support your back, and don't do any contortions to do it, that i should continue to do it even if it hurt. And yes it does hurt a lot. When i have my wife hold my leg straight for me, and then have her let go, i cannot hold it in that position no matter how hard i try. It slowly bends back to the angle it has decided it wants to be at. It does help though and i am making progress. I have a lot of scar tissue in there and it needs to be broken up. I don't recommend doing anything that hurts though unless you have talked to a MD, chiro, or physical therapist first.

Aussiegal, the more i read from you the more i am convinced you need to do somthing about it before it progresses any farther. I am starting to have trouble with me knee as a result of running with the tightness on one side. I would hate to see anyone end up where i am at when it could be headed off early. Good luck and keep the rest of us "pain in the rears" informed on your progress.
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14. Dec 8, 2006 3:21 PM in response to: cassyrandolph
Re: Sciatic pain and hamstring tightness
Yes, I had this exact same situation this past summer while I was ramping up miles for my first marathon. I ignored the niggling pain at first but eventually it aggravated enough that I decided to stay off it for 2 weeks. However, the damage was done. I couldn't run more than 2-3 mi without my hamstring tightening and then virtually cramping so badly that my entire gait changed (and I developed sympathetic pain in my other hip). Not good. Long story short, I didn't run at all for 3 months after being told by an Ortho Surgeon and PT that I had a muscle imbalance in my hamstring and gluts, that was causing hamstring overcompensation and straining the muscle. I did 6 wks of PT, and returning to running has been a long, slow process.

I'd strongly recommend backing off on your running and focus on cross-training until you get a diagnosis. If it is a hamstring strain, the actual injury can be soooo much worse than it sounds...and, in my experience, it's a long road to recovery...

Good luck~