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Icehockey101 Rookie 6 posts since
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Mar 17, 2011 9:01 PM

Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

Hi.  I have a question that I am hoping someone can answer.  My understanding for the 2011-2012 season, there will be a Squirt Patriot league.  On the DVHL website it states this is for 2003 players and will allow two 2002 players on a team.  Recently I have noticed on many websites posting Squirt Patriot try-outs but for 2003-2004.  Is DVHL changing the Squirt Patriot and allowing 2004 players?

  • Dfenz55 Rookie 2 posts since
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    1. Mar 18, 2011 5:29 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    Don't confuse the Squirt (01-02) Level and the Squirt Patriot (03-04) Level.

     

    The Squirt Patriot Teams will be for 7 (2004) and 8 (2003) year olds and allow TWO 9 year olds (2002) to play at the Patriot level. (Late to hockey)

     

    The District will not allow a 7 year old (04) to play UP at the SQUIRT level (01-02).

     

    The Patriot will have two Divisions: National and American. Just like the Midget Minor Division.

    The National will be the higher division, but the selection of the teams should take into account the skill level of the player, not the age.

  • Dfenz55 Rookie 2 posts since
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    3. Mar 19, 2011 9:50 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    The way they worded that statement is confusing...

     

    Bottom Line: NO seven-year old (2004) may play at the Squirt Level...

    They must play at the Squirt Patriot level

  • NeutralZone Amateur 8 posts since
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    4. Mar 21, 2011 5:14 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    Don't be confused as there will be a difference on how the local tier 1 programs such as Jr Flyers or MinuteMen will run the Patriot league. This league is supported by the AYHL and will be very very different compared to the DVHL league.

    AYHL will allow the individual teams to make decisions on what's best such as the the rule that allows up to 2 2002 birthyears to play down as well as allowing skilled 2004's to play. The majority of the team will be 2003 birthyears. This league will be a one and done league as it's to protect 2003's from having to play half ice as per the ADM model.

     

    The DVHL scrambled after the AYHL ruling to prevent teams from going independent and of course possible lost membership. Keep in mind that the 2010-2011 was suppose to keep beginners at cross ice but deafs ear was turned by many orginizations therefore we had 20-0 games. These beginners whether 5,6,7 or 8 should have been cross ice players. This past season's Mite full ice was to include only players with at least 1 year of experience. The DVHL is aware of the mistake and needs to draw the line for this upcoming season, that is why the initiative is for 2003 pure league.

     

    Don't be surprised to see 2004's in the DVHL league as teams will need to round out rosters. Hopefully no parent places an 04 in the pure Squirt league which consists of 2001 & 2002 birthyears for this up coming season, no matter how good little Jakey is!

  • HomerJay Rookie 7 posts since
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    5. Mar 22, 2011 9:06 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    So the DVHL is going to have a Squirt Division made up of Mites?

  • Ice Dogs 2003's Amateur 33 posts since
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    6. Mar 23, 2011 2:10 PM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    All 2003's (which are Mite Age), but will allow up to two 2002's (Squirt Minor Age) per team.  So it is like a beefed up Mite Major.

  • flyershockeydad Rookie 3 posts since
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    7. Apr 5, 2011 10:55 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    It seems to me that there is still no clear answer as to whether or not 2004's can play squirt at any level.  I know I haven't been able to find anything definite even on the USA Hockey website.

  • flyershockeydad Rookie 3 posts since
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    8. Apr 5, 2011 11:10 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    I have emailed the USA Hockey Regional ADM Manager to try and get clarification about this.

  • flyershockeydad Rookie 3 posts since
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    9. Apr 5, 2011 11:15 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    This is the response I received from USA Hockey:

     

         "The "patriot" division was designed only to help bridge the gap for 03s who played full ice last year. Period. 04s were never on the table and should not be playing squirt."

  • Ice Dogs 2003's Amateur 33 posts since
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    10. Apr 6, 2011 10:02 AM (in response to flyershockeydad)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    I heard for certain from the DVHL that as it stands today the DVHL is NOT allowing 2004's under any circumstances to play Squirt level, even Squirt Patriot.  As for the AYHL, it is my understanding that they are allowing 2004's to play Patriot, but you would have to confirm that.

  • togesu Rookie 2 posts since
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    11. Apr 22, 2011 6:22 AM (in response to Icehockey101)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    Teir I Squirt Patriot Division can carry 2 '04 players.  Teir II Squirt Patriot Division can only place an "exceptional" '04 on the 2003 roster.  There is a criteria that must be met to deem the '04 player exceptional.

  • HomerJay Rookie 7 posts since
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    12. Apr 26, 2011 5:12 AM (in response to Ice Dogs 2003's)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    Ice Dogs 2003's wrote:

     

    All 2003's (which are Mite Age), but will allow up to two 2002's (Squirt Minor Age) per team.  So it is like a beefed up Mite Major.

    Putting two '02s who aren't even good enough to play 'B' at their own age group isn't beefing anything up.  I've seen DVHL Squirt B hockey and if a player can't play there, they belong in house league.  IMHO putting them at a lower age group is a money grab. Is any other district in the nation doing this Patriot thing. I still don't get the need to call  Mite Majors Squirt Patriots. 2003s are Mites, not Squirts.  Is it to get around the ADM movement?

  • togesu Rookie 2 posts since
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    13. Apr 26, 2011 6:33 AM (in response to HomerJay)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    Yes

  • Ice Dogs 2003's Amateur 33 posts since
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    14. Apr 27, 2011 7:02 AM (in response to togesu)
    Re: Squirt Patriot 2011-2012 question

    I agree that if a 2002 is not able to make a Squirt B squad they belong in in-house/limited travel and not on a Patriot squad.  The problem that I see is that there is not defined criteria as to when a 2002 should be allowed to play on a Patriot team.  Some clubs may interpret the 2 2002 slots as development slots for developmental 2002's.  Some clubs might want to use the slots to grab the best two 2002's they can get to make their team the best it can be, others may choose to only add a 2002 if absolutely necessary to field a squad, and some may add two good 2002's at tournaments to their squad if it is allowed for an advantage. It is not perfect.

     

    Aside from the possible 2 2002's per team this is basically a mite major division.  However, some good 2003's moved up to Squirt A/B if they were good enough, or their clubs did not have enough 2003's to field a Patriot team.

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