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  • KurtinSC Pro 126 posts since
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    15. Nov 5, 2010 8:45 AM (in response to IronMakeover)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Sara,

     

    I've realized working with others who also were training for their first event that swimming does seem a lot harder to pick up as a "new" leg of a triathlon then the other two legs for novices.  I guess those 12 years of year round competitive swimming as a kid had some unrealized long term bonuses. 

     

    My run training isn't extremely focused at the moment.  I get out on the road about twice a week and put in between 2.5 - 4 miles at whatever pace I can maintain.  I'm not too concerned with speed when it comes to running, but rather getting so I'm comfortable with the distance.  I'm probably going to hang the bike up in a few weeks for the winter... at that point it will be 3 days a week running, 2 in the pool.  The HOPE is that I can push the distance running up to Olympic distance levels... which might open me up for an Olympic rather then a sprint next year.

     

    If I can get up to where I can run 10K's comfortably... I'll probably throw in some interval running workouts, along with shorter distance/higher pace runs.  But right now running wise it's just run as long as a can without walking.

     

    I'm excited with how the running is becoming easier as I lose weight.  My last weigh in had me down from 260 pre-triathlon training last December, to 245 at the time of the triathlon in June to 225 now.  At 6'2", if I can hit 200 I'll start turning cartwheels.

  • yogabudorunner Legend 292 posts since
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    16. Nov 5, 2010 4:30 PM (in response to Jasmine1972)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    I'll join the discussion

     

    I've been running now for about 2 months and 3 weeks ago decided to start Tri training.

     

    My schedule is to run 3x a week, bike (spin) 2x a week and swim 2x a week.  So far so good.  I also do hot yoga 3-4 times a week.  I am slow on everything but the bike.  I swim strong, but slow.  My running is just barely starting up and I'm pretty slow there as well.  My goal is to train all Winter and do a Sprint in May.  I feel encouraged as I've already seen a lot of benefit to my body just from the increase in activity.  Weight lost, body is stronger, etc...

     

    I bought a road bike last week and it will be home on Monday.  I hope to use it, even if it's on a trainer, a LOT more than the spin bike a the gym...  Not a lot of good cycling roads near me and with the kids around my biking on the road will be limited to Saturdays.  But, I'm not discouraged.  I have a bike, I have a great Y near me, and I have all the things I need to get me started.

     

    Nice to read about all of you.  Good luck!!!





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  • allybrown103 Rookie 1 posts since
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    17. Nov 5, 2010 4:57 PM (in response to seratliff)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

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  • Anthony5450 Amateur 25 posts since
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    18. Nov 17, 2010 3:28 PM (in response to SlothNoMore)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Sloth -

     

    If your gym doesn't offer spinning classes, you could enlist a friend or family member to help you do it on your own. Put the bike in a low resistance and spin higher than 90 revolutions per minute and you can simulate a spinning class. It would be easier with music or a partner but it's a good way to work on your bike endurance.

     

    Also, you could buy a trainer to use at your house with your bike. No hills on a trainer!

     

    Good luck!





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  • Icantritoo Amateur 12 posts since
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    19. Nov 20, 2010 9:02 PM (in response to RunTysonRun)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Tyson,

     

    I did my first sprint tri in July and loved every second of it, even through the pouring rain.  As far as equipment, I,like you, did not want to drop a boatload  of money on something that I wasn't so sure about.  As it turns out you can get by with some pretty reasonable stuff if you search out bargains.  I bought a road bike along with a maintenance package for around $600 (it was a 2009 model on clearance).  I also found a tri suit on Ebay for less than $40 bucks (it was a Tyr).  My friend who does these things all of the time told me that I got a great bargain on that one.  You have time before the 2011 season really gets going so you have time to search and find what will work for you and what you are comfortable paying for.

     

    Don't stress about what you do or don't have, just go out and have fun.

     

    Jessica





  • RunTysonRun Pro 142 posts since
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    20. Nov 21, 2010 10:13 AM (in response to Icantritoo)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Jessica

     

    Thanks for the advice. I have been sort of looking around casually for tri items. I actually got in the pool for the first time in a long time this week. I did a half mile total in about 40 minutes. It was tough but I enjoyed the sensation. Anyway, I'm hoping to do about a half mile three times a week along with some jogging, yoga and strength. Take care all and have a great holiday!

     

    Tyson





    Running is a mental sport and we're all insane.

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    Challenge Diabetes 5K July 10  2010 36:26

    Waterama 5K Run July 24 2010 35:20

    Twins 4K August 1 2010 28:20

    American Cancer Society 5K August 14 2010 34:06 *PR

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  • Packratt Expert 47 posts since
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    21. Nov 22, 2010 10:49 AM (in response to RunTysonRun)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Hi All!  I'm back and while I am still focused on 5ks for the rest of the year, I am getting mentally prepared for my first Tri coming up quick at the first of the year.  In fact, February 13th is my first one.  I am excited.

     


    For those who are interested, I finally posted my race report from the John 3:16 Mission Run, the one just before my Gall Bladder surgery, in the other thread, the Slow Overweight newbies thread.  It was a good race, but I have made tonnes of improvement for my next race and am hoping to turn in something that looks more like a normal time on the 11th!





    Will Run 4 Food Fun Run (first run) - 1k-(19:46)  5Jun2010 472# | Tulsa Zoo Run 5k (first 5k - 1:34:38) -  2Oct2010 450# | John 3:16 Mission 5k (1:32:15) PR - 23 October 2010 448# | Run Into The New Year 5k (1:11:57) PR - 31 December 2010 427#

    UHC 2011 Indoor Triathlon - 13Feb2011 10 Min S - 291 meters, 30 Min B - 4.57 miles, 20 Min R - 0.96 miles. 

    - Total points accumulated was 113.2. Placed 3rd in Age Group: 40-49. 426#.

    Chili Day Indoor Triathlon - Mar 2011 S 300 yds(10:38 including T1), B 8 mi(22:02), R 2 mi(44:55) (Total Time 1:17:35) 426#

    St. Paddy's Day 5k 12 March 2011 (1:14:31) 425# | Race Against Racism 5k  30April

  • RunTysonRun Pro 142 posts since
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    22. Nov 23, 2010 6:13 AM (in response to Packratt)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Hey everyone

     

    Did a slooooooooooooow quarter mile last night. Had to really push it to even meet that goal. The guys in the lanes next to me were making me look like a snail. So, for a bit, I was mentally defeated and a tad embarrassed but I pushed through. My muscles were still sore after my half mile last Thursday. They didn't feel tight/sore until I started swimming. I've never mastered any stroke as I did not take swimming lessons but my take thus far, and this takes into consideration how out of shape I am swimming-wise, is that the American Crawl is incredibly energy consuming. I've been focusing on my attempt at a breast stroke to get some decent laps in. I don't have the core strength or muscle and lung endurance to effectively do the American Crawl. Can I do the breast stroke in a tri? Or is that just lame? :-) I'm hoping to do some strength training which will help me swim better in general but just wanted thoughts on what a stroke should be used in a tri. I have a date with my Mother in law's treadmill tonight while I do some laundry-washing machine broke, new on comes in later...probably next week. Anyways, on the plus side, I can have unlimited use of their treadmill and eat a healthy, re-charging dinner after a good workout. Turkey Leg 5K on Thursday in Willmar. It's supposed to be COLD, like nine degrees in the morning. It will make it my coldest run ever. But, I'm really excited for it. It's for a good cause (local YMCA and girls club) and it means a whole day in my mom's house, which will smell of yummy goodness. And, I can have two pieces of pie/dessert and not feel guilty. :-) Happy Thanksgiving all and safe travels!

     

    Tyson





    Running is a mental sport and we're all insane.

    Snap 5K June 26 2010 37:46

    Challenge Diabetes 5K July 10  2010 36:26

    Waterama 5K Run July 24 2010 35:20

    Twins 4K August 1 2010 28:20

    American Cancer Society 5K August 14 2010 34:06 *PR

    Minneapolis Duathlon Fun Course (1.5mi run, 12mi bike, 1.5mi run) August 29 2010 1:44:11

    Alexandria 10K September 18 2010 1:09:34 *PR

    Fargo Half Marathon October 9 2010 3:00:15

    Turkey Leg 5K November 25, 2010 36:36

    Get Lucky Triple 7K (HM) March 19, 2011 2:38:06 *PR

    Chain of Lakes Sprint Triathlon May 7, 2011 1:42:01

    Brookings, SD Marathon May 14, 2011 5:46:13 *PR

    Graniteman Sprint Triathlon July 9, 2011

    Green Lake Triathlon (Olympic) August 14, 2011

    Half Iron Distance TBD 2012

  • Packratt Expert 47 posts since
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    23. Nov 23, 2010 6:23 AM (in response to RunTysonRun)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Hey Tyson,

     

    There are no rules to say you have to use one stroke over another.  I am actually training with a hybrid stroke.  I do the breast stroke but I flutter kick like in the crawl.  Play around and see what gives you the most bang for the buck, that is, the best speed for the least energy.  You might also see if you can find a swim coach to help you out.  A swim coach can find places where you can improve your stroke to make it more energy efficient.  I was on the swim team in my youth and know several strokes.  I chose to work with the hybrid to conserve energy, although I still do several laps of crawl to keep up a good workout.





    Will Run 4 Food Fun Run (first run) - 1k-(19:46)  5Jun2010 472# | Tulsa Zoo Run 5k (first 5k - 1:34:38) -  2Oct2010 450# | John 3:16 Mission 5k (1:32:15) PR - 23 October 2010 448# | Run Into The New Year 5k (1:11:57) PR - 31 December 2010 427#

    UHC 2011 Indoor Triathlon - 13Feb2011 10 Min S - 291 meters, 30 Min B - 4.57 miles, 20 Min R - 0.96 miles. 

    - Total points accumulated was 113.2. Placed 3rd in Age Group: 40-49. 426#.

    Chili Day Indoor Triathlon - Mar 2011 S 300 yds(10:38 including T1), B 8 mi(22:02), R 2 mi(44:55) (Total Time 1:17:35) 426#

    St. Paddy's Day 5k 12 March 2011 (1:14:31) 425# | Race Against Racism 5k  30April

  • KurtinSC Pro 126 posts since
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    24. Nov 23, 2010 8:39 AM (in response to RunTysonRun)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Tyson, you can do any stroke you want, or even as Packrat said use a hybrid.

     

    American/Australian Crawl when done properly is the most efficient stroke (that is, most speed for least energy).  At least that's what they tell us... I'm still not 100% sure the energy savings from the backstroke don't make up for slightly less speed.

     

    If you are feeling gassed quickly, chances are good that your current form is causing you to have to use your legs too much.  Kicking like a demon really burns through your energy reserves quickly... and while it does make you faster it isnt' what you should be doing in a distance event.  Even world class swimmers use a slow kick when swimming a 1500 meters... more of a two-beat kick (per complete arm stroke) rathern then the six-beat kick you might use for a mid-distance event or the "kick like crazy" that you might use for a sprint.  But people who swim with their head elevated too much and/or don't roll their shoulders well tend to have their feet sink a bit... which causes them to have to kick harder just to keep the horizontal body position necessary for swimming the front crawl.

     

    To tell if this is your issue, try swimming with a pull buoy between your legs the next time.  If all of a sudden you are able to swim twice as long just using your arms as you were with your kick included, work on slowing your kick down and getting a good body position and shoulder roll.  For a longer distance swim, just think about using your kick enough to keep your legs near the surface... not to actually use them to propel yourself through the water.

  • Falcon1979 Amateur 12 posts since
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    25. Nov 23, 2010 6:36 PM (in response to KurtinSC)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    i am kinda in same position as one of the guys whose just posted on here. I was pushing my swimming distances and had myself upto 12 lengths at 25metres a shot breast stroke only to find out most of guys do the australian crawl.

     

    Have gradually the last 3 weeks worked at building up my front crawl distance. Thing i made the mistake of doing is watching few clips on utube of guys swimming to improve my technique. Was abit to much information overload and if anything it made me worse

     

    ie alternating head when coming up for breath( ie not alternating sides when coming up to breath)

     

    Having my head higher in the water

     

    Doing a set number of strokes before taking a breath etc

     

     

    I think i am gunna maybe invest in some private lessons re improving me swimming technique as everything is going great bar the swimming!

     

    What do you guys reckon swimming lessons yes or no????

     

     

    I can now almost do a c25k run and i can comfortably do a 10k ride in a half decent time.

  • Packratt Expert 47 posts since
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    26. Nov 24, 2010 5:00 AM (in response to Falcon1979)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Hi Falcon.  One of the things I suggest is to use a stroke or hybrid you are comfortable with and remember that although the shortest leg, swimming can be the most energy draining, depending on how you handle it.  If you are not very confident in your strokes, then lessons might be a good idea, but I would see if you can find a swim coach who is experienced in triathlons and talk about your goals before you even get in the water.  Like Kurtin, I swam competitively as a youth and so I have a strong ability to swim, although at my current weight of 435 pounds, I am MUCH slower than I was.  Still, my biggest problem is swimming for endurance instead of speed.  That is why I am using a hybrid stroke.  Good luck to you.





    Will Run 4 Food Fun Run (first run) - 1k-(19:46)  5Jun2010 472# | Tulsa Zoo Run 5k (first 5k - 1:34:38) -  2Oct2010 450# | John 3:16 Mission 5k (1:32:15) PR - 23 October 2010 448# | Run Into The New Year 5k (1:11:57) PR - 31 December 2010 427#

    UHC 2011 Indoor Triathlon - 13Feb2011 10 Min S - 291 meters, 30 Min B - 4.57 miles, 20 Min R - 0.96 miles. 

    - Total points accumulated was 113.2. Placed 3rd in Age Group: 40-49. 426#.

    Chili Day Indoor Triathlon - Mar 2011 S 300 yds(10:38 including T1), B 8 mi(22:02), R 2 mi(44:55) (Total Time 1:17:35) 426#

    St. Paddy's Day 5k 12 March 2011 (1:14:31) 425# | Race Against Racism 5k  30April

  • lynnski4ya Rookie 7 posts since
    Nov 24, 2010
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    27. Nov 24, 2010 7:14 AM (in response to Jasmine1972)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Hello everyone!  What a cool community to belong to!  I was at my heaviest in Feb. 2010 and have been working really hard on my cardio and endurance to accentuate my weight loss and lifestyle changes.  I have run 3 5K events this year and ready for my next one this coming weekend!  I have committed to my first Tri-Sprint Relay in August 2011.  I am soooo excited I can hardly stand it!  I am the swimmer for our team.  As many of you I was a great swimmer when I was younger... like in my teens!  I was lifeguard status back then... not so much anymore!   There is so much to think about for an 'open water' swim.

     

    I am using the standard front crawl for my stroke in this tri.  If anyone has any good advice on how to help with rotary breathing to the left, I would appreciate it!  I am still pretty good breathing to the right, but have been told I really need to learn to make breathing on the left part of my routine because in open water, you never know what kind of wind/waves/people you are going to have.  I know I'm going to swallow some lake water... but would like to minimize that!

     

    Also, would like to know from experience persons on the whole wetsuit thing... beneficial or not beneficial?

     

    Thanks so much!

     

    Lynn 

  • KurtinSC Pro 126 posts since
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    28. Nov 24, 2010 10:46 AM (in response to lynnski4ya)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Lynn,

     

    Most of the time if you can breath fine to one side but struggle to get your mouth out of the water on the other, it's a sign that  you are not fully rotating to the side you don't normally breath on.

     

    In theory, when your arm is recovering out of the water, that shoulder should pretty much be pointed up at the ceiling if you're in a pool, and the one in the water that is pulling should be pointed at the bottom of the pool.  You should be doing this with both arm recoveries, regardless of if  you take a breath or not.

     

    One of the reason coaches suggest breathing to alternate sides is that when you do only breath one way, you tent to rotate great to the side you breath on... but barely rotate the non-breathing shoulder when it recovers.  This creates an unbalanced stroke that doesn't remain as streamlined and doesn't let the arm on the side you breath to (often your stronger arm) get deep enough in the water to get the most power out of your stroke.  Most of the time, the advice to breath every third stroke is less about being able to get air in choppy water, and more about using your breathing to assist in having better stroke technique.

     

    So... back to your question... I'd do some drills to help emphasize body rotation to your left.  Do some sets where your go one way in the pool using only one arm (the other at your side) and breath to the opposite side.  Do some fingertip drag drills... where when your arm is recovering out of the water you drag your fingertips over the surface of the water and your thumb along the side of your body.  This forces you to have a high elbow and to rotate your body... otherwise your entire hand will be in the water and you won't be able to get your arm forward.  Another drill to do is to "tag" each hand out in front of your body for a few laps.  Also, just streamline kicking while rolling your body can help get the right motion set in your muscles.  Just lock your arms over your head pointing to the other wall, squeezing your ears between your upper arms.  Do a quick but not all out flutter kick to the other wall, rolling from side to side to take breaths as you go rather then taking a stroke.

     

    If you breath fine to the right, once you get the body rotation going well to both sides you should have little problem breathing to both sides.

  • Falcon1979 Amateur 12 posts since
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    29. Nov 24, 2010 10:53 AM (in response to Packratt)
    Re: Slow triathletes - Training for 2011

    Yeah i totally agree with ya there front crawl is definetly harder stroke to do i am getting gradually there. I can now do three-four lengths without dying and been wrecked.

     

    Next week will up it to 5 lengths I am just gunna keep going at it. Well get there eventually lol

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