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2369 Views 6 Replies Latest reply: Oct 25, 2010 11:44 PM by AsphaltRunner
nikkicarr1 Legend 314 posts since
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Oct 25, 2010 12:57 PM

Marathons breaking hearts!!!

http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/25/marathons-can-be-bad-for-the-heart-but-only-temporarily/

 

Jillian Michaels posted this like on facebook today, just wondering who else read it and what your thoughts were?  I find that it was far too small of a group with little info on background regarding overall fitness, training preparation, underlying health issues etc, also feel that it could have covered at what distances troponin increases began, becuase 26.2 mi was not the magic number!!  I'm sure I was stressing my heart more 2 yrs ago when I began running vs now due to overall better health/nutrition/hydration/activity tolerance etc.  I would rather have temporary heart strain from running than permenant heart/kidney disease from obesity/diabetes.

 

I know not every runner want to run marathons but shortly after this was posted comments were made by people giving up the idea of running marathons BECAUSE of THIS article, and thats sad





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  • BT.ROB Legend 271 posts since
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    1. Oct 25, 2010 1:12 PM (in response to nikkicarr1)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    Let me preference by saying I am not in the health care profession. However, not stressing your heart can lead to heart disease and early death. The study I find to be pretty worthless. Think about it. When we do any athletic activity from running to weight lifting we are stressing muscles. The heart is a muscle. By allowing recovery, the muscle then repairs itself and becomes stronger. Has there been an equivalent study of quadriceps? I bet three months after a marathon, the quads have recovered as well. My (non-medical) two cents.

     

    BT

  • lenzlaw Community Moderator 10,431 posts since
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    2. Oct 25, 2010 1:48 PM (in response to nikkicarr1)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    This is not news.  In another (earlier) study (http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/22/2325), similar results were observed, inversely related to training load.  That is, the less you trained, the more likely that these markers would be found.  The "tipping point" seemed to be around 40 mpw.  The changes apparently do not indicate permanent damage and the changes found are transient.  Here's a more "popular" story about the same article.  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/07/fashion/07Fitness.html?_r=2&ex=1174104000&en=7a8bcad291fb75dc&ei=5070&oref=slogin

     

    Len





    Len

  • kscpn Amateur 29 posts since
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    3. Oct 25, 2010 6:23 PM (in response to nikkicarr1)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    Interesting article.

     

    http://www.runnersworld.com/article/1,7124,s6-241-285--12948-0,00.html

     

    DEATHS IN MARATHON RACES

     

    Three large studies have been conducted on heart-attack deaths in marathons. The findings:

     

    Twin Cities Study: In a three-decade study at the Twin Cities and Marine Corps Marathons, there have been 7 heart-attack deaths among 525,700 total runners. That's a risk of 1 death per 75,100 runners.
    Source: Journal of the American College of Cardiology. Updated stats from author.

     

    London Study: In a similar study at the London Marathon, there have been 8 heart-attack deaths among 712,000 total runners. That's a risk of 1 death per 89,000 marathoners.
    Source: Direct communication from study author.

     

    Toronto Study: In a bigger but less-well-controlled study by a Toronto-based doctor, there were 26 heart-attack deaths among 3,292,000 American runners who competed in 750 different marathons over the past 30 years. That's a risk of 1 death per 126,000 runners.
    Source: British Medical Journal

     


    RISK OF DEATH, OTHER ACTIVITIES

     

    It's difficult to make "apples to apples" comparisons between death risks for various activities. But here are your risks of dying during the next year from various activities:

    Riding in a car1 in 6,535
    Falling in an accident1 in 15,614
    Drowning1 in 88,772
    Caught in a fire1 in 90,944
    Choking on food1 in 334,461
    Getting hit by lightning1 in 6,383,844

    Source: National Safety Council





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  • kscpn Amateur 29 posts since
    May 8, 2009
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    4. Oct 25, 2010 6:24 PM (in response to nikkicarr1)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    I wonder if the Biggest Loser will continue to have the contestants run Marathons!





    2010  BAYSTATE MARATHON Lowell, MA                                  3:48:11

    2010  Harvard Pilgrim Health Care 10K at Patriot Place                  51:59

    2010  2nd Annual St Pats 5K      Providence, RI                            21:33

    2009 UNITEDHEALTHCARE HALF MARATHON                          1:48:35

    2009  3rd Annual KAYLEIGH RAPOSA 5 "Kay" RUN                      20:56

    2009  Narragansett Blessing of the Fleet 10 Mile Road Race:        1:22:15

    2009  7th Runaways Runaround 5 Miler North Attleboro, Ma           37:34

    2009  Childrens Museum in Easton Road Race 5 mile:                   36:38

  • lenzlaw Community Moderator 10,431 posts since
    Jan 18, 2008
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    5. Oct 25, 2010 7:25 PM (in response to kscpn)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    You have to realize that the studies cited have nothing to say about the risk of heart attack during a marathon.  They are dealing with possible heart damage as a result of running one.  And the changes they found are transient.  They happen during the marathon but disappear within weeks, with no apparent long-term changes or damage.

     

    Len





    Len

  • AsphaltRunner Legend 302 posts since
    Nov 25, 2008
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    6. Oct 25, 2010 11:44 PM (in response to nikkicarr1)
    Re: Marathons breaking hearts!!!

    The heart is a muscle.  It will break down from the stress of exercise only to recover stronger.  Isn't that the whole point of strength and endurance training?

     

    I personally have done 52 marathons in a year.  That includes 3 ultras.  My longest race was a 12 hr race - I did 63 miles.  I logged 485 miles in that month - 16 miles/day.  I have friends who run more marathons than me in the same time and some who do long ultras (100 milers).  The funny thing is that I started running because I had health problems - obesity, indigestion, acid reflux, high cholesterol, etc.  All better now!  I am not about to stop running/exercising.





    James

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