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Jim24315 Legend 1,987 posts since
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225. Oct 25, 2007 10:48 AM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Scott,

I'd say you will have to force yourself to get up early enough to allow yourself time to get the race an hour before the start. It is critical to warm up good, especially for a short race like the 5k. You'll know who the beginners or those who are not serious racers are because they'll be standing around the entire time before the race ("saving energy"). Failure to warmup properly is one the most common mistakes runners make, and even some experienced ones are guilty of it.

As far as eating, it is somewhat of an individual thing. For a short race you could wait until afterwards if your stomach doesn't growl (mine growls). Personally, I'll eat something very light like a half banana or piece of toast soon after getting out of bed.

Good luck--you had a very decent race, btw, for your first try.

JimR022 Rookie 985 posts since
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226. Oct 25, 2007 11:27 AM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

My last 5k, I parked almost 2 miles from the race venue, jogged over in warmer clothes, changed, did my prerace routine, raced, cooled down, changed, and jogged back to the car.

scott3294 Rookie 63 posts since
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227. Oct 25, 2007 2:37 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Thanks for the advice Jim, and I am going to use it. 
Getting up is not the problem, I have two kids...I am always up early. :-)
I just have never been one who felt like the morning was a time that my body would let me work out...at least feeling strong.
My plan for this Saturday is to get up 2 hours before race time and get to the venue around an hour or so before the race to warm up.
The good news is it is not that cool down here yet so warming up will not be too much of a problem.
Thanks
Scott

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Dana Becker Amateur 385 posts since
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228. Oct 25, 2007 6:35 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

quote:


Originally posted by OldXCguy:

Jim, thanks so much for your kind, encouraging words. I truly appreciate the support from you and others on here. I have indeed felt strong and fit, thanks largely to Tinman's coaching advice. It just seemed that until yesterday, I felt like I was lacking speed.

I fully realize that mentally composing a race report with a third of the race left is far from a good thing. Even though I felt comfortable and confident, one needs to remain focused in the present the whole way, something I had been doing well in my last few races until that little lapse. Luckily, I was able to snap back into a racing mindset before much damage was done.

I think it was the short course prevention factor that accounted for my slow last mile. My Garmin 305 was in complete agreement with the first two mile markers, so either both were off; or I slowed to a 6:40 pace on the third mile (allowing 40 seconds for the last .11), which I don't think is likely because I was still running pretty well; or most likely, it was the SPF. Both my Garmin, and a subsequent measuring on a mapping site produced readings of 3.15 miles. The extra .04 doesn't sound like much, but at my pace, it adds about 15 seconds.

I understand the science of measuring courses, how a Jones counter is calibrated, and then used for multiple trips over the course to cut every turn as tightly as possible. What I don't understand, and don't agree with, is how the science is then discarded and a fudge factor is added to be sure the course is not short. I understand the rationale, that race directors are afraid that if someone sets a record, and the course is subsequently found to be short, the record would be invalidated. But for every one person that sets a record, thousands of us (maybe tens of thousands) are denied the times to which we are entitled. Fifteen seconds would have made a big difference to anyone's times, especially those people in the 20:00-20:15 range.

Hey, excuse my rant, but I've been wanting to get that off my chest for a long time.


 



Your Garmin will likely show almost all races longer. The shortest 5K I've had on mine is 3.14. The longest is 3.19. Unless you are following the exact path (on a certified course) that they measured, then we will almost always have to run further than the actual distance.

For my 3 marathons, my Garmin has measured 26.65, 26.56, and 26.52. These are huge marathons where elites run, so they are most likely not that long by any stretch. I just take that into account and know that I have to run faster than the Garmin shows. 

RacingThoughts Rookie 108 posts since
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229. Dec 20, 2007 10:20 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

quote:


Originally posted by Scott3294:

Hi,
I am brand new to competing, but not new to running. I am 40 years old and in pretty decent shape. I ran the mile and 2 mile in highschool and then gave up running (played basketball regularly through my 30's) until about 2.5 years ago.
I started running several times a week. Most runs were 3 to 4 miles and I ran them generally at about an 8 minute pace. A few weeks ago I started longer runs (slower MAF pace about 9 MPM) and have my weekly mileage up into the upper 20's.
This past Friday, on a whim with a friend, we ran a 5k race in town (this was my first race since high school, and longest). I finished 20th out of 200 with a time of 22:41. So...........
My goal is to break 22, then 21...and then 20.
My next step is a Trick or Trot 5k this weekend and I just want to run faster than last week and survive running at 8 am...I never run before noon and most days I run in the evening...so this might be a handicap.
Anyway..this looks like a great thread and wanted to jump in.
Scott


 



Nice job!

I've done three 5Ks so far (29:50, 26:09, and 23:17) after about five months of training. I've never seriously been a runner or competed before this. My long term goal for now is to break 20, and my short term goals are similar to yours, 22, then 21. I'm averaging around 17 miles a week and should break 20 this week. Trying to get that up to 25-30. Running my first 10K next weekend, we'll see how that goes then it's back to 5Ks. Good luck to everyone!

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230. Oct 25, 2007 9:29 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

I love this thread. 

I'm 36, about 6'3" tall and 195 lbs with no extra weight. Almost 20 years ago, and 30 lbs lighter, in high school, I ran sub 18:00 routinely for 5k, around 39:00 for 10k; and just over an hour for 10 miles. Typical highschool XC training. No pain, no gain. Repeat miles. 12x400 in 72 seconds with 200 m recovery jogs or until you puke. Fun stuff.

Fast forward to 2002 where I started riding mountain bikes seriously and running occassionally (mostly during winter) to maintain fitness. In late August '07, a friend talked me into a duathlon which was on October 14. I hadn't been doing much running, but I had been riding single-speed mountain bikes 5-6 days/week for well over a year, so I had some decent fitness.

In September, I started running three days a week, and continued riding mountain bikes on the other three days- short easy runs (3-4 miles max, good warmup and cooldown), with a heart rate monitor, staying at or below MAF. September 29, I entered a small local 5k (first road race in 16 years) to test my running fitness and ran just over 22 minutes on a flat course. I went out far too fast, running the first mile in 6:38 and suffering through the remainder of the race, but with my limited training this got me wondering if, with increased mileage and a little more structured training, a sub 20:00 5k was in my future.

On October 14, I ran the 2.2 mile runs in the duathlon (my first) at about 7:00 pace (with a BIG hill in the middle), and finished in 22nd place out of 80 (I am strong on the bike). The second run was brutal, but my pacing was consistant even though my legs felt like lead after the transition from the bike.

At any rate, I've continued doing 90% of my runs at or below MAF, and running 3-4 days a week. My MAF pace has dropped by almost two minutes in 8 weeks. Everything feels good. I'm working on increasing my mileage to about 25 miles per week (in 4 running days). I recently added a weekly tempo run, and my current tempo pace, as of today, at 86-87% MHR, is about 6:55. There is a small local 5k in two weeks, and I'm wondering if sub 21:00 might be possible?

I'll be adding more running over the winter, as cycling becomes less accessible.  As spring approaches, I'll start on some real speed work.  I'm going sub 20 in the spring for sure!  My long-term goal is to try and get back to sub 19:00 by next summer!

OldXCguy Pro 194 posts since
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231. Dec 20, 2007 10:20 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

RacingThoughts, nice progress so far!  Good luck to you and adkblues.  Keep us posted on your workouts and races.

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JimR022 Rookie 985 posts since
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232. Oct 27, 2007 11:44 AM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

7.5 miles today with embedded tempo 5k in 21:47, framed by a pair of 4 1/2 minute k's.  Sticky out with a bit of a mist.  Next Sunday I have a XC 8k, 4 weeks after that is 5k, then it's winter maintenance mode.

TomThumbs Rookie 32 posts since
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233. Oct 27, 2007 12:05 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Well, I just blew my last chance for the year to break 20 minutes, finishing a local 5K in 20:12.  I'm disappointed but am not going to beat myself up too much about it as I was still able to take a minute off of my time last year on this same course in very similar (nice) weather.

I didn't make much concession to my marathon training schedule (Houston Jan 13) except to move my Thursday tempo run to Wednesday and run easy Thursday and yesterday.

I was very conscious of trying not to go out too fast (I've done that too many times), and was able to run almost perfectly even splits but I was counting on being able to open it up just a little bit on the last half mile of the loop course as it was downhill. I just didn't quite have the juice.

My last sub 20 min 5K was over 20 years ago when I was in grad school, and I'm hungry for it again but it will have to wait until the spring. I was able to do it on youthful enthusiasm and 10-15 miles per week back then; it's been damn hard work now at age 44 just to get close!

Good luck to all of you still shooting for the sub-20.

scott3294 Rookie 63 posts since
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234. Oct 27, 2007 1:14 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

I had my race this morning and I trimmed 1:21 off my last Race last Friday.  I can tell I am still very inexperienced at this. Last race was 22:41 today was 21:20.  Here are the splits.
6:44
7:03
6:51
0:42
21:20
Gotta lot of work to break 20, but since I have only run two races and am really just learning how to train for this I am optomistic enough to make a run at it in the spring. Two more races this fall and then a break until Feb.
Scott


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chrisfield Rookie 33 posts since
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235. Oct 27, 2007 1:48 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Broke 20 minutes today for the first time!!!  You can read my full race report here:

http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/010725.shtml[/URL" target="_blank">


This thread is great and has been very helpful.

RacingThoughts Rookie 108 posts since
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236. Oct 27, 2007 2:24 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

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Originally posted by chrisfield:

Broke 20 minutes today for the first time!!! You can read my full race report here:

http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/010725.shtml[/URL" target="_blank">


This thread is great and has been very helpful.


 



Congrats!

scott3294 Rookie 63 posts since
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237. Oct 27, 2007 2:49 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Great Job!!

Dana Becker Amateur 385 posts since
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238. Oct 27, 2007 7:04 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

quote:


Originally posted by chrisfield:

Broke 20 minutes today for the first time!!! You can read my full race report here:

http://www.coolrunning.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/010725.shtml[/URL" target="_blank">


This thread is great and has been very helpful.


 



Awesome job! 

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239. Oct 28, 2007 8:17 PM in response to: MaineRunner2001
Re: 2007 Sub 20-Minute Goal 5K Thread

Hi,

I am new to this forum and was hoping to get some advice on a winter maintenance/training plan. I want to go under 20 for the 5k in the spring of '08 and need some guidance as to the best way to go about that. I am 25 years old and I have been running for about a year and a half.

PR's:
5k - 21:54 (10/6/2007)
1/2 Marathon - 1:43:32 (9/16/2007)

I have not done that much short speedwork (usually mile repeats) and I have always been more comfortable running long and slow than short and fast, but I want to change that.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeremy

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