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BelfastChild Rookie 5 posts since
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Aug 21, 2006 2:54 AM

Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring??  Help

Hi Guys,

I'm new to this forum so any help would be much appreciated as I'm at the end of my tether with this injury.

 

I tore my hamstring quite badly almost 3 years ago and have been having problems ever since.

 

I have been told by numerous physiotherapists that it is because I have a large "knot" of scar tissue which has formed on the upper half of the hamstring muscle which is about the size of a marble (and as hard!).

 

I have had this knot at least 2 ½ yrs now with little or no success of getting rid of the dam thing!!!

 

I've been to at least 50+ physio sessions with deep massage techniques being used (no exaggeration!), had ultrasound, 2x laser treatments and nothing is working.

 

I have done everything under the sun such as rest (6 months), strengthening programmes, stretching, swimming, cycling, etc. and no matter what I do the "knot" stays there and I still get a lot of pain on scar tissue when I go back doing any running and the leg then becomes really tender for 5-7 days.

 

I have been told no matter what I do, if the scar tissue "knot" is not got rid off I will always have this problem.

 

Does anyone know of any other way this can be be removed. Key hole surgery, etc?? I'll try anything at this stage!

 

Cheers.

  • maxirunner Rookie 1 posts since
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    1. Aug 27, 2006 12:59 AM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    Sorry, I do not have any advice--- and I am a runner AND physical therapist with (I think) the same problem.

    I never badly tore my HS-- just a minor pull with pain that lasted for a week or two.  FOURS years later, I am still having pain and I think it is from development of scar tissue.  It only hurts with running-- not biking or even the eliptical.  However, there have been times when it actually feels BETTER for a couple of days after running a hard 5-k race. Does this happen with you.

  • edk25yrs Rookie 1 posts since
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    3. Sep 1, 2006 10:20 AM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Abdomen

    Also looking for help to remove internal scar tissue. Had a ventral hernia that caused muscle to protrude when doing any abdominal exercises. Finally had surgery to repair along with liposuction. For five years it was great, never looked better and able to do all sorts of crunches. however, for last five years bulge due to scar tissue at site of operation, is now ruining looks of otherwise fit physique. Is there any surgery, laser treatment, etc. to remove???

  • Crimsondragongurl Rookie 3 posts since
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    4. Sep 10, 2006 9:10 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    Try to find a physiotherapist who performs active release (ART). Basically, it's a (painful) massage that breaks down scar tissue through your normal ROM. It's very very helpful, and well worth seeking out a certified practicioner.

  • mbogner1 Rookie 1 posts since
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    5. Sep 13, 2006 3:20 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
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    I supposedly have scar tissue touching the vagus nerve in my abdomen after laparoscopic surgery to remove my ovaries and/or a subsequent bowel obstruction or twist 2 weeks after surgery. Been through 17 tests, etc. No definitive answers from top doctors. I'm a long distance runner and had never been sick in 48 years!  It's been a year and a half of abdominal bloating/discomfort after eating, inability to always take a deep breath, and extra production of saliva in my throat.Tried acupuncture, ultrasound, some deep tissue massage. How will I know if Active Release Therapy is working, without spending a fortune?

  • DEADOCMIKE Pro 129 posts since
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    6. Sep 14, 2006 1:13 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    To all of you with scar tissue problems, or tissue bulging from your abdomens:

     

    get a referral to a surgeon (orthopedic in the case of the guy with the hammie scarring). The bulge in the abdomen on edk25yrs could be a reoccurence on the hernia and needs to get checked out by a doc.

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    MBOGNER*: your situation is definitely odd. I don't really understand the "no definitive answers from top doctors" part of your post. Has anyone opined on what the cause could be and possible therapies. Your situation is so specific, I would suggest not going to a message board, but going to see another doctor.

     

    And no matter what, a massage, no matter how good, is not going to relieve the problems described in this forum (with the possible exception of BelfastChild, and it sounds as if it has tried everything except surgery).

  • crover99 Rookie 1 posts since
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    7. Sep 18, 2006 12:21 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    Hi all,

     

    I have been having scar tissue problems as well.  I broke my leg, and then a couple years later had stress fracture problems, and now because of wearing a walking boot for so long my doc's said that I have a nerve that is caught in scar tissue.  It is the same annoying thing of a burning pain and tenderness when I walk.  I haven't even gotten back to running yet.  It feels like a knot on my fibula it is so hard.  They also recommended therapy and just rubbing it out, but it doesn't seem to be getting much better.  Any suggestions?

  • Tri_2005 Amateur 13 posts since
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    8. Sep 21, 2006 1:25 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    Ok I know it's been said before on this topic. But really find a Dr. who does A.R.T. It hurts like h**l, but it works. It practitionar finds where the scar tissue is and uses pressure to get everything moving in the right direction. When you have a tear the scar tissue finds the easiest way to reconnect the tear to the rest of the tendon or ligament which is usually not the same direction as the tendon/ligament moves. To get it moving properly again you have to get into the scar tissue apply pressure and get it all working together.

    Like I said it hurts but the benifits truely outway the pain at hte time. Look it up active release techniques.

     

    That's all I've got for you

    Good luck with your injuries and hope you heal quickly

     

    Lana

  • scubatim Rookie 1 posts since
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    9. Sep 24, 2006 11:29 AM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    Hi.  been having chronic headaches for the last two years.  10 yrs. ago i was in a car accident and went through the windshield.  got a nasty scar on the right side of my neck about 1 1/2 inches behind my ear.  i've been to a neurologist, chiro, accupun phys ther, pain management and also a ART therapist.  the only thing that helps is the heavy medication ( percocet, oxy--)  i have stopped taking those because of the side effects. (although i took it for almost 2 yrs.)  I also use a muscle relaxer and lyrica(to shrink nerves?)  All this is to no avail.  I constantly have pain.  My pain dr. talks about the occipital nerve and my SCM muscle.  she's given me trigger point injections and iv'e seen little relief.  What do I do? Surgery?  ANYONE!!! please help  chef4880@aol.com

  • leslietapp Rookie 1 posts since
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    10. Oct 16, 2006 5:30 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    I had a hamstring injury due to a hyperextension of my left leg.  I was trying to kick at a menacing dog - and missed.  I thought my knee was okay, but 48 hours later I developed pain in my hamstring.  I was running lopsided, and thus, developed pain in my left hip.  I finally went to my ortho doc and he said to stretch the hamstring 3 times daily, resting the leg on a higher object and pushing down on the knee to the point of uncomfortablility.  He said this injury would heal in 6 weeks and to do the exercises every day unti healed.  Well, I did the exercises and still, I am bothered by the hip pain.  The knee is fine!  Unfortunately I cannot advise the person with scari tissue from several years - I just wish my hip pain would go away!  It is a result of not working the hanstring tissue soon enough.  My mistake!  The lump of scar tissue may never go away - sorry!  Right now I deal with scar tissue from recent rotator cuff surgery.  The pain is unrelenting, and almost more than I can bear.  I cry every day, trying to work out the scar tissue as a result of being imobilized in a sling for 1 month..  However, I have been told I am just in the "ugly" stage, and that it will go away eventually.  I do not know if I can wait that long - however long it will take.  It has taught me a lesson in patience and tolerance - that is for sure.

  • esex5032 Rookie 5 posts since
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    11. Oct 25, 2006 7:09 AM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    There a few different soft tissue techniques that specifically work on scar tissue and soft tissue adhesions. One is Active release technique the other is graston technique. While with a full blown tear you may never fully get rid of the scar tissue all together you may be able to lesson the size. I would suggest looking at the activerelease.com or the greenwichsportsmedicine.com website to learn more about the techniques. The other thing I may suggest is prolotherapy injection into the scar. While again it may not remove the scar altogether it may reduce the symptoms. Scar tissue has been theorized to grow nerve ending that produce nociceptive(pain) producing cytokines. Besides this scar tissue inhibts proper movement which inhibits normal function causing aposing muscles to work harder and fatigue earlier. I hope this helps.

    Dr. Christopher Mah CCN

    www.greenwichsportsmedicine.com

  • matspecialist Amateur 32 posts since
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    12. Oct 26, 2006 10:43 AM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    where do you live BelfastChild?

  • evolveperformance Amateur 8 posts since
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    13. Oct 30, 2006 7:45 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    As a certified Active Release therapist I have found it very effective in dealing with scar tissue problems.  However, the function of the kinetic chain(i.e- whole body) must be assessed properly in a functional position relative to the activity(i.e- running).  Scar tissue forms all throughout the body and if you don't know how to differentiate scar tissue that's impeding function with "normal" scar tissue, than it won't be an effective treatment.  Active Release is a great facilitator of realigning the scar tissue and getting proper translation b/n the tissues.  In most cases, where the problem is most often not where the cause is.  Basically the key here is to find out what's functionally "feeding" the hamstrings good and bad information.  It's all about the neural input that a problem site(i.e- hamstring) gets when being rehabed, trained, etc.

  • matspecialist Amateur 32 posts since
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    14. Nov 2, 2006 5:46 PM (in response to BelfastChild)
    Re: Removal of Scar Tissue from Hamstring?? Help

    scar tissue develops over time, sometimes over months-year, after the initial acute injury.  it doesn't go away over night or in a few sessions... the thing you have to be careful about is that if you increase ROM in a joint through soft tissue manipulation, you have to make sure you are stable in that new ROM.  increasing ROM is great, but it is only half the picture...mobility doesn't equal stability...but stability does equal mobility.   the body will only allow motion it can control...so do you really want to take that away?  and if you do, better have a way to check that you are stable in your new ROM's

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