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Sep 20, 2007 4:08 PM

Landis looses appeal

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Landis loses; appeal uncertain
By Charles Pelkey
editor, VeloNews.com
with wire reports
Filed: September 20, 2007

Landis must forfeit his Tour title or appeal to CAS

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American Floyd Landis has been formally stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after an arbitration panel has ruled against Floyd Landis in his appeal of a positive doping test during that year's Tour.

Landis still has the option to appeal the case to the International Court of Arbitration for Sport, but the UCI on Thursday formally awarded the 2006 Tour title to Spaniard Oscar Pereiro, the Caisse d'Epargne rider who finished second. Landis becomes the first Tour winner in more than 100 years to be stripped of his title, and he now faces a two-year suspension from racing and an additional two-year exclusion from ProTour ranks.

"This ruling is a blow to athletes and cyclists everywhere," Landis said in a statement. "For the panel to find in favor of USADA when, with respect to so many issues, USADA did not manage to prove even the most basic parts of their case, shows that this system is fundamentally flawed.

"I am innocent and we proved I am innocent."

UCI president Pat McQuaid saw things otherwise.

"He has been found guilty. It proves that the system works no matter who you are," McQuaid told Reuters via telephone.

The three member panel voted 2-1 to uphold the results of Landis's positive test, with lead arbitrator Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher Campbell dissenting. Campbell was the lone dissenting vote in the Tyler Hamilton blood doping case, as well.
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Should he opt not to appeal, Landis's suspension would expire at the end of January in 2009. According to the decision, the panel had the option of suspending Landis from the date of its decision, but "in this case the athlete filed a declaration of voluntary non competition as of 30 January 2007. Therefore, the period of ineligibility will begin on that date and continue until 29 January 2009."

The sample Landis provided after his stage-17 victory in the 2006 Tour showed a testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio higher than the 4-to-1 standard outlined in the world anti-doping code. A second and more specific test examined carbon isotope ratios, which officials at the French national anti-doping laboratory said indicated the presence of synthetic testosterone.

The majority of the panel found that while the initial testosterone-epitestosterone test was not "established in accordance with the WADA International Standard for Laboratories," the more precise and expensive carbon-isotope ration analysis (IRMS), performed as a follow-up was accurate. As a result, "an anti-doping rule violation is established," said the majority.

The finding means that Landis was cleared of the initial positive T/E violation, but now faces a two-year suspension because the IRMS test did show the presence of exogenous testosterone.

"As has been held in several cases, even where the T-E ratio has been held to be unreliable ... the IRMS analysis may still be applied," the majority wrote. "It has also been held that the IRMS analysis may stand alone as the basis" of a positive test for steroids.

Landis's case was argued in a public hearing in May, and a ruling had initially been expected prior to this year's Tour. Landis spokeswoman Pearl Piatt told Agence France Presse that he has not decided whether to press his case before CAS.

"We're still digesting the report," she said. "They are still reading the opinion closely and looking at it."

At one stage, Landis had said the cost of making such a fight might be more than he could afford, although he has maintained his innocence throughout the doping fight. Landis has reportedly spent more than $2 million in his defense, about half of it from his own pocket.

One of his lawyers, Maurice Suh, called the ruling "a miscarriage of justice."

"The majority panel's decision is a disappointment, but particularly so because it failed to address the joint impact of the many errors that the AFLD laboratory committed in rendering this false positive," Suh said.

"To take each of these errors singly is to ignore the total falsity of the result. The majority panel has disregarded the testimony of Mr. Landis' experts, who are pre-eminent in their respective fields, without analyzing the impact of the errors on the final result."
Agence France Presse contributed to this report

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1. Sep 20, 2007 5:21 PM in response to: TriBob
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I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty but a LOT of work (scientifically speaking) needs to be done about the testing... I mean I'm the first to say he cheated and to believe that most TdF top cyclists are on "something" but what if these top level athletes are clean and the training they do have an effect on their blood composition that differs from the average or even even very high level athlete? What if the reason these people make it so high is a combination of different (relatively speaking, I'm not still talking about human blood here) blood composition and extremely high level of training?

Very very very very off chance that this could be the case? It would make for a nice fairy tale story but chances are this is not the case...
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2. Sep 20, 2007 5:21 PM in response to: TriBob
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This whole mess is sad whether he's guilty or innocent.

Thanks for the story, though, I might've missed it.
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3. Sep 20, 2007 6:59 PM in response to: TriBob
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i believe cycling is the absolute worst sport for doping. particularly the top performers. and no one will ever convince me that lance armstrong did everything clean.
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4. Sep 20, 2007 7:10 PM in response to: TriBob
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Cycling is dying and nothing can save it. Landis was in my opinion innocent. The levels of testosterone they claimed he had would not just appear. They claimed the day before his amazing come back he test negative for any performance enhancing drugs next day he came back and was guilty of using testosterone (something that takes months if used to show sign of result). I am losing my respect for the Tour De France. I feel that the whole thing with Michael Rasmussen was the last straw, kicking riders out because of suspicion, sounds fair.
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5. Sep 20, 2007 8:35 PM in response to: TriBob
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While I am not at the top tier of the sport gossip does trickle down to me.

The domestic peloton has almost no dopers. There isn't enough money and we are not nearly as competative and there is a completely different culture. You will find doping at every level of almost any sport but domestic riders are really clean.

The euro peloton is going in the right direction. There are still a number of teams that there is organised doping(you can probably guess which ones). Most of the teams have no tolerance for that kind of sh!t. There is a lot of peer pressure on those teams to clean up. Why the clean team don't say anything I do not know.

The fact that there are more people are getting caught does not mean that there are more dopers. It means that more people are getting caught.

I got shoes-You think Baseball is cleaner, You think that football is cleaner. Comeon.

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6. Sep 20, 2007 9:05 PM in response to: TriBob
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Crazy1---

What's the pro gossip on Landis? I'd really like to believe he was/is clean.

And...

"The fact that there are more people are getting caught does not mean that there are more dopers. It means that more people are getting caught."

...well said.
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7. Sep 20, 2007 9:16 PM in response to: TriBob
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Crazy1:
While I am not at the top tier of the sport gossip does trickle down to me.

The domestic peloton has almost no dopers.

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I read about domestic US and Canadian D3 level riders getting nailed constantly, guys I have ridden against for years. I suspect the level of drug use at the lower tier UCI races, e.g. tour of Guatamela, Tachia, etc. is pretty much through the roof. I suspect there are even some doofus brain masters riders like me using drugs to fight back against the natural effects of aging.

If there was any money in triathlon, drug use would be a natural outgrowth of the demanding nature of the sport, the need to recover quickly between events and the high training load.
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8. Sep 20, 2007 9:19 PM in response to: TriBob
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Crazy1:
You will find doping at every level of almost any sport but domestic riders are really clean.<HR>


Well now that just sounds wrong.



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9. Sep 20, 2007 9:36 PM in response to: TriBob
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by LeftRightRepeat:
Well now that just sounds wrong.
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Hense the almost. After my first year of racing I have yet to see any stuff. There is a lot of talk and I have gotten the feeling that most of the riders are ****** at the dopers.

I don't want to name names. Didn't another high profile rider on his team get busted for dope?



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10. Sep 21, 2007 12:47 AM in response to: TriBob
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i definitely think cycling is the worst sport. dont get me wrong, baseball is bad (i dont know so much about football), but to me it seems cyclist after cyclist, particularly at the top is getting busted. its a shame that people feel the need to cheat.

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11. Sep 21, 2007 1:53 AM in response to: TriBob
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by igotshoe:
i believe cycling is the absolute worst sport for doping. <HR>



Could be, or least somewhere up near the top. But why? One idea that just popped into my head is level of skill required to ride a bike fast compared to level of fitness required. Ditto for running, especially sprints.

In a lot of other sports, fitness, while important, takes a bit of a backseat to other skills. Pure strength, while more important, also takes a backseat.

Soccer. No matter how fast you run, or how far you can boot the ball, without ball handling skills, you just look like a fool. I played for 7 years. Was in okay shape

Basketball. No extra amount of fitness or strength is going to help sink a 25 footer. Of course late in the game fitness pays off, but better to work on shooting 60% and put the other team away. I played a couple years. I was in good shape, but couldn't hit the 15 foot jumpers consistently. No chance to excel.

Baseball. Fitness about a non-issue. I played for 11 years, and past a certain point, wind sprints make no sense, better to get in the batting cage.

Football. a little closer here of course, because brute force can overcome lack of skills. But I offer up Renaldo Nehemiah. Could run past everyone (since Deion was still in diapers), but couldn't catch routine passes. John Madden put it best when he said he was a luxury a good team like SF could afford to keep around. I played for 4 years.

Running (sprints). Some technique around getting out of the blocks and accelerating, and a few little running techniques, but after that is all about pure power. Plus a huge amount of natural ability of course. I ran sprints through HS and one year in coolege. My sprint technique was fairly sound. I was still just a slow guy.

Cycling. Specifically road cycling. Once I learn how to stay upright, it is all about fitness. I know, I know, bike handling skills are important, but nowhere near as important as my legs and lungs. Been at it for a couple years, and don't think I need any more skills, just more fitness.

So, maybe the potential benefits of doping is what has driven it to be such a problem in cycling.

Could be much larger in Triathlon than we know about. Especially like jroden said - folks trying to stave off the years.

End of unimportant, opinion based rhetoric.

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12. Sep 21, 2007 9:19 AM in response to: TriBob
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First winner in the history of the tour banned!

got to be a good thing? Only my opinion but i'm guessing the status of being the winner has protected many cheats in the past, and not so distant past.
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14. Sep 21, 2007 9:56 AM in response to: TriBob
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Ya, the Jeanson story is sad. Apparently she is seeking treatment for all of this lying and stuff. I read in the Metro paper (french) that she married her coach for 6 months for business purposes. They are now divorced.