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quote:<HR>Originally posted by adsnwfld:
"No, I'm not interested in using it, never have been, never will be. Just trying to steer friends in the right direction"

What direction would that be?
Their is nothing wrong with Whey from a good supliment maker. Some trainers / nutritionists suggest 1 gm of protien per lb of body weight. It is a bit hard to consume 200 gm of protien a day.
Food is better then any protien shake, but this is supposed to be a suppliment, not a persons entire diet. Used properly it can aid in recovery and help with a person's weight loss goals. <HR>

Eating any kind of protein supplement is like eating pure table sugar to get carbs. Both will provide the respective nutrient but in just about the poorest form possible. If you really want additional whey protein, drink a couple glasses of milk.

As for your suggestion that "Some trainers / nutritionists suggest 1 gm of protien per lb of body weight.", it is either completely false or the "trainers / nutritionists" making the suggestion are unworthy of the name. There is not a responsible "trainers / nutritionists" that would make a recommendation anywhere near that high. That level is getting up in the toxic range. The usual "high" recommendation seen is 1 gm per kilogram of body weight which frequently gets incorrectly read as 1 gm per lb.

One gm per lb is more than twice the 'high' recommendation and about four times the upper level for 'normal' levels of intake.

Considering the excessive protein in the typical North American diet and the ready availability of high quality, high protein 'real' food sources, it is extremely unlikely any normal person would need (or want) whey supplementation. Even one doing a significant workout at the gym.

The real disadvantage to any protein supplement is that it contains 4 calories per gram of protein. Every calorie eaten as a supplement is a calorie that cannot be eaten a real whole food. Real whole food not only contains the protein calories that you would receive in the supplement but also a whole spectrum of additional necessaty and valuable nutrients. There is a very good reason they refer to junk foods like sugar and whey supplements as "empty calories". If you eat the protein supplement as well as your normal food intake, it will simply make you fat.

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Hey reboot,

You made the statement that "Eating any kind of protein supplement is like eating pure table sugar to get carbs". Can you explain this better?

How does a Whey Protein supplement vs. natural/whole protein sources effect muscle synthesis like table sugar vs. complex carbs effects insulin levels and storage of excess calories.

You went on to say, "The real disadvantage to any protein supplement is that it contains 4 calories per gram of protein. Every calorie eaten as a supplement is a calorie that cannot be eaten a real whole food. Real whole food not only contains the protein calories that you would receive in the supplement but also a whole spectrum of additional necessary and valuable nutrients. There is a very good reason they refer to junk foods like sugar and whey supplements as "empty calories". If you eat the protein supplement as well as your normal food intake, it will simply make you fat."

Are you saying that the calories in Whey Protein supplement have a high glocymic index? You also stated that Whey Protien supplements do not have the necessary and valuable nutrients that ‘real whole food' does. Please keep in mind that it is a protein +supplement +not a protein replacement

I am not taking a protein supplement as a source of carbs, but an additional source of protein immediately after intense weight training. It definitely has calories and they certainly are not "empty".

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Whey protein is good right after training because it breaks down fast, what most powders are. I also like caesin protein which is slower to break down and be digested like cottage cheese for example is what I eat about a half hour beford bed to stay fueled throughout the night.