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7 Replies Last post: Nov 14, 2007 8:30 PM by enkephalin  
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Nov 14, 2007 3:35 PM

The Scientist and the Stairmaster

Why most of us believe that exercise makes us thinner?and why we're wrong.

I started to read this in an old issue of nymag at the Dr's this morning (I got a pneumonia vaccine) and found it interesting enough to look up online.

http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/[/URL" target="_blank">
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1. Nov 14, 2007 4:27 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
Interesting piece but I don?t see much that?s new here. Instead, the ?conventional wisdom? the author is challenging seems more of a straw man. We?re left with some basic realities, including:

1. Exercise, by itself, will not necessarily result in weight loss.
2. Exercise may actually stimulate appetite which, if acted upon by more eating, will counteract the gains of higher calorie expenditure from exercise.
3. Weight loss is the result of a combination of calories ingested and calories expended, but this formula varies between individuals due to genetic predispositions (i.e. some of us can eat more and not gain weight)

In making his arguments he leaves out the other health benefits (besides weight loss) of exercise. He also treats hunger/appetite/eating as a ?natural? phenomenon when, in fact, it is heavily influenced by social forces. This is why obesity rates vary across cultures and vary within a single culture over time. Not the least of these social forces is the food industry spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get us to eat more than we need in forms that are fundamentally unhealthy. (This has nothing to do with "working up an appetite.") His ?natural? approach, therefore, cannot account for the explosion in obesity which, I?d contend, is indeed largely the result of changing lifestyles on both the intake (more high-calorie fast-food, processed convenience foods, etc) and output sides (more sedentary lifestyles).

Am I missing something?
Click to view LeftRightRepeat's profile Legend 1,618 posts since
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2. Nov 14, 2007 4:35 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
This guys is whacked. "It?s hard to imagine that the French, for instance, would improve their self-esteem by spending more time at the gym." Say what?
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3. Nov 14, 2007 4:40 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
Hi Hally, I think they are probably right, though I think that there are exceptions. Personally excercise tends to cause me to gain a little and then level off. When I become inactive, I loose weight. Though when I am inactive, I am doing other things, so my inactive just means I am not running. My max weight of 185 was when I was younger in the navy and in very good shape. My minimum was prior to that at 140 in my teens. Now it is usually right around 159 and stays pretty close to that. In my prior running 9 years ago where I was doing more miles and more upper body work I weighed about 170. I never diet.
Thanks for the topic, Larry

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4. Nov 14, 2007 7:15 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
i stopped reading at the beginning of the second paragraph which started: "for most of us, the fear of flab is the reason we exercise..."

wow, how could this guy's reality be so twisted? running makes me smile and i think it's fun. fear has nothing to do with it.

if i had time and i was bored, i'd do a word count looking for "fear", "blame", "wrong" in his article. the guy's got problems. plus, a skim of the article didn't convince me that he's a real scientist...

dr. mc
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5. Nov 14, 2007 7:36 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
........hally//.....it all makes Sense Now........

..........everybody grab a couch and start eating chips immediately.....
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6. Nov 14, 2007 8:07 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
I fully realize one person's experience is not evidence of very much. So this is just a FWIW comment but my life and this article fit pretty well together. After I got out of school (1986) I started exercising to keep in shape and my weight down. No dice. Instead I gained about a pound and a half a year. I did not lose weight until I got fed up with myself. I was getting fatter and losing my ability to engage in physical outdoor activities. As it turns out your mouth can eat faster than your legs can run. I have only ever lost weight when I decided to do so by eating less and going to bed hungry most nights. Exercise has never really helped or hurt.
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Dec 14, 2007
7. Nov 14, 2007 8:30 PM in response to: hally
Re: The Scientist and the Stairmaster
that was one of the worst articles I've ever read. I couldn't finish the last page.

Ok, my experiment of one. When I only did mild exercise 3 times a week, 45 minutes, no weight loss. When I could crank out high-intensity workouts 4 x a week, I dropped 25 pounds. I find on the days I workout, I eat the same as non-workout days, and usually healthier food too. I am never hungry. Unless I do a long run, I find exercise to suppress my appetite, and it greatly suppresses cravings for simple carbs. Maybe I am in the minority here, and should count my blessings. Somehow sitting at a computer all day makes me much hungrier than moving around all day.

dr. enke