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LeftRightRepeat Pro 1,452 posts since
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Dec 27, 2007 12:32 PM

Is it time to start the revolution?

The hits just keep on coming as user after user complains about this or that and, frankly, I haven’t seen much change around here since day one – with the two exceptions of restored historical (hysterical?) threads and the backing off of the initially hyperactive moderators. While I do believe that Active will make an effort to improve things here, I have not seen them jumping through even the easiest hoops to retain those that made CoolRunning's forums so successful.

 

So… Is it time to gather our forces and find a new home? I propose at least a few days of proactive discussion (trying to keep pointless bashing of the ******* Active ****-heads to a minimum) followed by a multilateral collective action that results in our little group sticking together in the new year either here or elsewhere.

 

Bottom line for me is that I have no particular allegiance to Active or even to the CoolRunning legacy except that I want to see the group of people that formed there sticking together. If we can stay somewhat united, I don’t think it matters that much who hosts the wall on which we draw our graffiti. Without a consensus to convene elsewhere, I truly believe it's our best interest to keep posting here and work with Active to make this the best alternative.

 

But, if we can collectively work it out and plan a move, I'm also not convinced we couldn't succeed elsewhere.

 

So I see the many repeatedly pointed-out advantages to moving…

 

  • Absence of login issues

  • Better forum features – signatures, etc.

  • Absence of a feeling of being a slave to a for-profit advertising vehicle.

  • Possibly better training log (for those who use it).

 

But I also see disadvantages…

 

  • Absence of a profit-driven overseeing entity that may be willing to make investments. How long do we believe some of these other boards will be around?

  • Lack of a tie to a wider formal community including training plans, race results, articles, etc. Do the other forums have more than a bulletin board to offer?

  • Lack of any sense of required decorum allowing discussion to degrade to sophomoric rhetoric. Who takes responsibility for whacking the trolls?

  • We loose all those historical threads we complained so much about when they were missing.

 

The biggest issue I see is that I think a big draw to CoolRunning’s forums, at least around where I live, was that it was, and still is, the biggest repository of local race results. People went (and still go) there to find their results and then ended up browsing the forums. The site had a reputation for having training plans and useful articles available. This kept a continual influx of new people coming into the forums – without which, over time, I expect they would have dwindled and died. I’m skeptical of our ability to sustain any sort of dynamic community without such a draw.

 

So let the debate begin!!!  I’m calling on the “power users” here (primarily those appearing in the “Top Members” list to the lower left) to voice an opinion. What do you think we should do? What options would you support?

  • ussoccer Rookie 1,412 posts since
    Dec 11, 2007
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    1. Dec 27, 2007 12:46 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    I was just thinking about when I would begin the topic coveyed in this very post... right on, Fishdog!

     

    I really have to agree that because of technical limitations discussed here and on other threads, topics that come up again and again, I don't find this place as warm to post. For me it's not the login, rather it's the presentation and clunkiness of the boards, making it much more difficult to post, answer, and be a unit. But since others do a good job hashing the problems, I'll stay out of it.

     

    However, I do care about the people we've all come to be friends with, and that is you all. And that's why I'm here, because I know it is here where my family is. But all families must eventually move. I'm not yet ready to say, 'we must move now!' but I am willing to say that if you've all come to that conclusion, then maybe we put a plan of action in place to move. But let's settle the issue on whether we move first.

     

    As for a plan, we could pick an existing service such as Kick, which now has a Multi-Sport section, something that is important to me -- that we have our own area where triathletes new or old, newbie or veteran, and even slow and fast can chime in, ask questions, get motivation, and even lend support to others be it on triathlon or friendship or both. We pick a place and all have a date for moving, like... "right now!" Then we have one or two volunteers to contact others who might not be as active members to keep checking back the old place and even send a few mails just to be sure we retain most if not all of us.

     

    Because that is what it really is all about -- us.

     

    As for me, I'm getting anxious to find a comfortable home, but as long as you all are still here, I will put up with my complaints and continue to do my part. On the other hand, if you all really want to go elsewhere, I have no allegience to CR or Active; only, like LRR mentioned, it is convenient and we do get many, many more members coming and going, some who even stay and settle in with us to our little spot on message board heaven, by being a part of such a conglomerate.

  • jroden Rookie 1,350 posts since
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    2. Dec 27, 2007 12:52 PM (in response to ussoccer)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    kickrunners seems fine to me.  I just get annoyed when people preface their name with "Active" as though the rest f the world was a bunch of slugs.

  • TheProFromDover Amateur 28 posts since
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    3. Dec 27, 2007 1:06 PM (in response to ussoccer)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    John,

     

    At the risk of sounding defeatist, I would say it's done.  I sent this email to a friend just prior to seeing this post....

     

    Thanks for the advice, but I've just been outpowered.  Sheldon, an ironamn and USAT coach just jumped from Active to Kick.  He brought  a following and had critical mass in about 2 hours.  Then check out the below Kick post (he had critical mass in the  24 hour gym, the closest thing to x-training)....<<

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    Hi there. Just popping in to say that Rich has created a new multisport forum for all these sorts of questions and posts. Yippee!!!-----

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I thought people should shop both Kick and RunningAHEAD before committing.  Kick may **** a larger clientele, but people rave abouthte log in RA.

    Annnnnyway,

    Craig

     

    ARRRRGH, I've edited this msg 3 times (make that 4) **** 5X !!!! I QUIT trying to get it to look readable.

     

    Message was edited by: TheProFromDover

  • ussoccer Rookie 1,412 posts since
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    4. Dec 27, 2007 1:05 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    Please answer yes or no, reasoning behind answer is optional:

     

    It is time to move to another forum?

     

    If so, please check out the other forums and, if you typically use a log, look at theirs to see if you can live with it. If you like being a part of this larger web community, please, please speak up so that we get a fair look.

  • TheProFromDover Amateur 28 posts since
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    5. Dec 27, 2007 1:14 PM (in response to ussoccer)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    us,

     

     

    Yes.  But be aware, once you start asking for opinions and  rational input, you get disagreement.  Some going to one place, some to another.  I would just suggest one thing in any case.  Don't recreate MS in an isolated back room of some sort.  Create a MS forum on the front page, encourage a meshing of Active folks and existing folks.  It's their site (kind of). 

     

     

    LRR,

     

     

    You are a stand up guy.  Don't burn any bridges but don;t be afraid to cross some either.  

     

     

    Craig

     

     

     

     

     

  • niemsco Legend 189 posts since
    Sep 24, 2007
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    6. Dec 27, 2007 1:15 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    I apologize as I'm not a power user but wanted to comment on this thread.  I've been using the active triathlon forum, and only just stumbled across this multi-sport area a few days ago.  I've been watching the posts and I have to say you guys are great (except for that Crazy guy)!   There is a lot of knowledge that I'm sure the folks on the triathlon active forum would certainly benefit from, I know I would.   Plus there seems to be a lot of Ironman experience here and that is what I'm into right now.

     

     

    But I can understand the frustration of convergence.  Since I started using the active forum in September I've certainly seen some progress made.  I'd like to know where you guys end up, but I'll still stay at active, they have some very knowledgeable folks as well.  

     

     

    Good luck.. niemsco

     

     

  • jroden Rookie 1,350 posts since
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    7. Dec 27, 2007 1:18 PM (in response to niemsco)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    I went to kickrunners.com, i'm not really here.  I don't know crap about triathlons but sometimes get lucky with bike questions of a basic nature--John

  • ussoccer Rookie 1,412 posts since
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    8. Dec 27, 2007 1:23 PM (in response to niemsco)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    niemsco wrote:

    I apologize as I'm not a power user but wanted to comment on this thread. I've been using the active triathlon forum, and only just stumbled across this multi-sport area a few days ago. I've been watching the posts and I have to say you guys are great (except for that Crazy guy)! There is a lot of knowledge that I'm sure the folks on the triathlon active forum would certainly benefit from, I know I would. Plus there seems to be a lot of Ironman experience here and that is what I'm into right now.

     

    But I can understand the frustration of convergence. Since I started using the active forum in September I've certainly seen some progress made. I'd like to know where you guys end up, but I'll still stay at active, they have some very knowledgeable folks as well.

     

     

    Good luck.. niemsco

    If we end up any other place than here, we'll do our very best to broadcast... Thanks for the words, and see you where ever we end up.

     

    And for the record, your observations are right. We have a lot of newbies and intermediates, and even short course specialists along with Iron distance athletes. The beauty is that the people are knowledgeable, supportive, and willing to answer any assortment of questions. It was these very boards that got me from my very first triathlon to go all the way to Ironman and even qualify for a world championship. The people here have me inspired to try to qualify next year for Team USA and kick most serious butt at IMLP. It's an amazing group. And you are most welcome any time.

  • tri_coach06 Rookie 521 posts since
    Aug 14, 2007
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    9. Dec 27, 2007 1:30 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    It's been what, a week, more? They have made no changes. Sure they imported a bunch of threads. the board is super slow. LOG IN sucks. and lets face it, they don't want us here. if they did, they would have fixed the problems a long time ago.

     

     

    I'm in KICK. I hope you all will ocme over there. As Thor has said, it's not theboard, it's the people, and you all are the people.

     

     

    CS

     

     

  • tithers Rookie 1,259 posts since
    Nov 26, 2007
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    10. Dec 27, 2007 1:35 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    Yes! Come to Kick....it seems that  a lot of CRMSers already signed up. With that said, a new MS forum was created...

     

     

    Anyhoo-I haven't TOTALLY given up here. Thor hasn't ventured over yet. Tithers can't quit Thor.

     

     

  • ussoccer Rookie 1,412 posts since
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    11. Dec 27, 2007 1:39 PM (in response to jroden)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    I went to kickrunners.com, i'm not really here. I don't know crap about triathlons but sometimes get lucky with bike questions of a basic nature--John

     

    JR: Thought I'd let you know that you were a topic of conversation the other day. As you may remember, I am in a new house with my little sparkling queen -- who, no, doesn't pay me to say that. I set up my Trainer (no, Santa did not bring me a new one... speaking of Santa, we aren't exactly on speaking terms, as he didn't bring me my Cervelo P3C, and not only that but he tried to knock my Christmas tree over)... so I set up my Trainer in the steamy basement... no fans yet, I just sweat, but I did put an old towel on the floor to soak up my sweat. When I am not there, my sparkling queen's cat, who for the sake of this discussion I'll call Little Puker because she pukes all the time for eating one little cat food kernel too many... Little Puker has taking a liking to the towel beneath my Trainer when I'm not riding it. She sits there all comfortable and clean with her paws beneath her. Little Puker likes it a lot. Little Sparkling Queen does not. "You have to do something about that Trainer of yours," my little queen who was no longer sparkling said the other day. "I'm afraid Re: Is it time to start the revolution? will bump into the chain and get grease on her. She rubbed up against it the other day when I was in the basement doing laundry. I don't like that. She kept licking where she rubbed the chain. But it's grease. It won't come off." I laughed and asked if she thought little puker's tongue got tired trying to clean the stubborn grease off. Little low sheen one didn't find it very funny. Then I said, "That teaches her for trying to rub her scent onto my Trainer... that's my space. I mark that territory with my sweat. The cat can watch from afar." A few nights later -- Christmas Eve, to be precise, but before we dipped into the Limoncello at LRR's pad -- after a few drinks she brought it up again. And that's when I told the story of your dog sleeping in the back of your stationwagon with its back against the chain of your bike on the way home from a race. You by chance have a picture of that?

  • TheProFromDover Amateur 28 posts since
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    12. Dec 27, 2007 1:46 PM (in response to ussoccer)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

    us us us, the towel goes ABOVE the bike.  Sheesh, CRaig

  • mbannon Rookie 1,542 posts since
    Dec 14, 2007
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    13. Dec 27, 2007 2:04 PM (in response to LeftRightRepeat)
    Re: Is it time to start the revolution?

     

    o I realize it's been well over a week since the transition, but it's also the holidays.  I don't know about your offices, but mine is practically deserted right now.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Active offices are, too.  They probably chose this time of year figuring the forums would be quiet, but maybe didn't foresee their own offices being quiet, too.  Or maybe they're just dumb, who knows.

     

     

     

     

     

    o I worry about the Kickrunners site.  How long has it been around?  The front page mentions it is now running on its own server; what the **** was it on before??  Will it be around a year from now?  What if forum activity triples, can it handle the load?  Will the name draw new members?  Does it appear in the top third of Google results for "running tips" or similar searches?  How else will new members find it?

     

     

     

     

     

    o RunningAhead didn't seem much more stable or comforting than Kickrunners to me.  It's run by a guy who has a full-time job and maintains RA in his spare time.  What happens if the server crashes at 10 a.m.?  And frankly, I didn't think too much of the running log.  Works great for running, not so great for biking or swimming.

     

     

     

     

     

    o In the end, I suppose my vote would be to wait one more week.  If, by the end of next week, no significant improvements have been made and we have not heard why no improvements are visible (i.e. it's all been "behind the scenes" server upgrades, etc), then we bail en masse.  Eventually the Active forum will probably rebuild itself.  Between the Active name and the CoolRunning name, this forum now has a powerful draw even if the format isn't very user-friendly.

     

     

     

     

     

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