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16 Replies Last post: Jan 11, 2008 9:32 AM by fred-urie   1 2 Previous Next
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Jan 3, 2008 9:53 AM

Do Buddhists Have More Integrity

than pure atheists or agnostics?
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1. Jan 4, 2008 6:40 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: Do Buddhists Have More Integrity
yes
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2. Jan 6, 2008 2:15 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: Do Buddhists Have More Integrity
You have good Buddhists and bad Buddhists just like in any other religion.
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3. Jan 7, 2008 3:20 PM in response to: fred-urie
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"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." -Albert Einstein
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4. Jan 9, 2008 7:35 AM in response to: Active Toby
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Einstein didn't say that about the Buddhists at all. He did talk along these lines about the Quakers (Society of Friends) though.

"I consider the Society of Friends the religious community which has the highest moral standards. As far as I know, they have never made evil compromises and are always guided by their conscience. In international life, especially, their influence seems to me very beneficial and effective." http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.html

Your view of integrity is perverted. Integrity refers to the heart of man being whole with your Creator. You're pretty quick to promote your religion of choice, this quote is called "misattributed" at Wikipedia because no one can cite it's authenticity. Do you want a god who is NOT personal as this misquote says, an impersonal god is really bad. Do you want a customized god? Inalienableness is not a man thing, we're that bright. God changes not nor does His Word. For decades these misquotes have been wrongly attributed to men like Franklin and Jefferson to sway masses from the Truth, Jesus.

Misquote reply from Wikipedia,

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Removal_of_one_unlikely_.22quote.22

Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and the spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.

I've personally discussed the reliability of this quote with Einstein scholars (including John Stachel at Boston U, and founding editor of T+he Collected Papers of Albert Einstein+), and with the authors of compilations of Einstein quotations (Thomas J. McFarlane, author of Buddha and Einstein: The Parallel Sayings and Alice Calaprice, author of +The New Quotable Einstein+) - none of whom cite it. The upshot is that neither they nor I know of any evidence that Einstein delivered a speech containing this quote.

Of course, anyone who had unearthed a reliable citation shouldn't hesitate to reinstate the quote - and to inform these scholars, all of whom would be delighted to know about it (as would I)! User:Robma 10:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

<dl><dd>I've moved this quote to a "Misattributed" section and worded a source line to avoid the talk page reference, but include the information presented here. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC) </dd></dl><dl><dd>The second version of this statement (in the "Attributed" section) may be authentic: it is said to occur in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman (said by one reviewer to be "two of his closest colleagues in later life"), Princeton University Press, ISBN 0691023689 ; perhaps someone could verify/falsify? (I had tracked this down on the Web some time back, but I never actually verified it with the book.) I'm new at this, so I hope I'm posting correctly :) 12:33, 04 May 2006 (UTC) User:Dbrett </dd></dl>

More importantly Einstein repeatedly acknowledged the One God of his youth, Jehovah. Look for excerpts from a book written about the man's religion here:

http://michaelcaputo.tripod.com/einsteinandgod/index.htm

http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.htm

(Exo 20:3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

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5. Jan 9, 2008 8:28 AM in response to: dg12
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Well I'm glad we've got an expert here to set us straight when we are out of line. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the masses. As far as your formatting is concerned, it doesn't appear that your html tags <dl><dd> pulled through correctly. I'm not even sure what those are actually, but utilizing the preview feature in the editor while composing your post will allow you to see the final product before it goes live. So now you know you can come to me with questions about our community and I know I can count on you for religious expertise. Cheers!
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7. Jan 9, 2008 12:26 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: Do Buddhists Have More Integrity

fred-urie wrote:There is no God in Buddhism.

You are god in Buddhism. Paganism custom makes their own gods. Hinduism has thousands of gods

and millions of them rampaging their country. Car lovers worship their mechanical gods. Sex addicts worship physical bodies as their gods.

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


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8. Jan 9, 2008 12:42 PM in response to: dg12
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dg12 wrote:
You are god in Buddhism.


One good reason why I'm not a Buddhist. I don't think I could handle the pressure.

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9. Jan 9, 2008 4:00 PM in response to: fred-urie
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Integrity; a firm adherence to a code of esp. moral or artistic values. (Webster's Ninth).

So you post a ridiculous question (?) like this on a fitness site. For what purpose, to start a meaningless fray? How much integrity do you have?

Being moral and being religious are completly different things.

Albert Einstein must not have met Richard Nixon who was a Quaker. So much for the moral / religious argument.

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11. Jan 10, 2008 9:57 AM in response to: omabikeryder
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omabikeryder wrote:
Integrity; a firm adherence to a code of esp. moral or artistic values. (Webster's Ninth).

You quote from a Daniels Dictionary that's been regurgitated from secular humanists. Try the original, 1828 version. It defines integrity of heart which is whole with it's Creator. Without that union there is lack of integrity.

(Pro 20:7) The just (righteous) +man +walketh in his integrity (completeness-spirit-soul-body): his children are blessed after him.

So you post a ridiculous question (?) like this on a fitness site. For what purpose, to start a meaningless fray? How much integrity do you have?

I didn't post the question, I responded to one. I have a right as much as anyone to free speech. Are you a fascist?


Being moral and being religious are completly different things.

Morality has it's origins in pure religion.

Albert Einstein must not have met Richard Nixon who was a Quaker. So much for the moral / religious argument.

Nixon was a backslider!

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12. Jan 10, 2008 11:35 AM in response to: dg12
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dg12 wrote:
I didn't post the question, I responded to one. I have a right as much as anyone to free speech. Are you a fascist?


Dude, I don't think that post was directed at you, but thanks for reminding us that it's time for your meds.

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13. Jan 10, 2008 5:13 PM in response to: Jim Sullivan032
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Mr. Sullivan was correct, I was directing my remarks to the person who asked the original question.

I am used to only seeing fitness topics on this site, I did not take into account that you are recent transplants from another place and you don't seem to like it here very much. Hence the anger? So existential ponderings are considered valid topics? I'm used to "What kind of Bike Should I Buy" (answer; the one that's best for you) and "It Hurts When I Do This" (answer; Don't do that).

The original "question" is not really a question at all. You might as well ask if left handed Muslims are smarter than Norwegians.

Having integrity (however you want to define the term) or being moral has nothing to do with a rejection of the supernatural or questioning the existence of the supernatural. The people who flew the planes into the Twin Trade Towers were religious.

dg, what exactly did I write that you viewed as an attack on you? Ad hominum attacks are the lowest form of debate, and not worthy of a person of "Christian" character. You reject the definition that is in a current dictionary and suggest I use one that's 179 years old? You quote a definition that doesn't make a lot of sense. You call the editors of Webster's Ninth "secular humanists" (whatever that means) without addressing your issue with the definition.

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14. Jan 10, 2008 9:13 PM in response to: omabikeryder
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omabikeryder wrote:

So you post a ridiculous question (?) like this on a fitness site. For what purpose, to start a meaningless fray? How much integrity do you have?


You must have missed the sign on the Clubhouse's front door:

An anything-goes gathering place for discussion of all things: great thoughts, jokes, philosophical musings, silly questions and high-test camaraderie.

Fred-urie's original post lies squarely within the parameters of this forum. I see nothing wrong with his integrity.