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8 Replies Last post: Mar 21, 2008 6:12 AM by KimCR  
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Feb 22, 2008 7:00 AM

Pike's Peak marathon?


Hi--I'm considering trying to get into the Pike's Peak marathon this August, but I have a few questions:

1) I live in SE Fl (ie, very flat and right at sealevel!). Is it going to be possible for me to finish without getting swept? I don't obviously have any even small hills to run up (have some drawbridges, but that's about it), and obviously the altitude will be an issue. I'm a 24 year-old female, and I've done typical marathons before (last one was in January, did a 4:08), and I'm doing Eugene in May (hoping for 3:50 or below), but this would seem to be a completely different beast. Also, there really aren't any trails around here to practice on (even flat ones), so not sure how I will improve in that aspect...but I really want to do it! I'm not even entirely sure I can will be free that weekend in August, but since registration sells out, have to try anyway...I would try to get there a few days before the marathon, but since I am a grad student and also work full-time, not sure that I could get there more than 1 or 2 days early, which probably isn't enough time to even start getting acclimated...

2) I already know I want to do Houston next January--Since this marathon would be so different, emphasizing different muscles (quads, etc), will it actually hurt my chances of qualifying for Boston in January? I.e., will this be different enough from a typical marathon to set me back on my BQ goal?

Any thoughts, suggestions? Thanks!

Kathy

Click to view andahuff's profile Legend 281 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
1. Feb 22, 2008 2:26 PM in response to: panthek
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?

Kathy

I copied and pasted your question in an email to my husband. He isn't big on these kind of forums but I know how much he loved Pikes Peak. So here is his answer. I hope it helps!
Andreia

Good grief! Relax for a moment... Items 1 and 2 were more like items 1 through 20. First
things first (Your second item): Running Pike's Peak (I am assuming
you mean the ascent, only) will only make you stronger and faster. It
certainly isn't speed work, but you're using your quads and hamstrings
in a different manner than you do on the flat, so it actually simulates
speed work without the damage. If you are planning on doing the
round-trip, I would advise against it. The ascent is only 14 miles but
your time will be comparable to your marathon times on the flat. If
you ever want to get stronger for a marathon, run hills or stairs
(assuming you don't have hills). You should be over any weird stress
or pains within thirty days of Pike's Peak. Second
(your first item): You do not need to run trails although in might be
nice to do. Find the best incline you can and do "hill" repeats. No
kidding, running stairs will simulate the same pain that you are going
to have for nearly four hours at Pike's Peak. You probably won't be
able to do stairs for four hours, but you need to be doing one hour
sessions once or twice a week. I know...boring!!! Finally, the
biggest problem is that you are at elevation and you will be in oxygen
debt immediately. How well do you handle lactic acid? If it is a
problem for you look at doing hard intervals on the track with short
recovery periods. Work up to 90 minutes on the track. Your body will
respond more favorably when you are sucking up all the air you can get. Finally:
Plan on a mix of running (ha!) and walking the last one to two miles.
It is very steep, it is above 14,000 feet, it is very rocky, and cold.
Sometimes fast walking is more than your body will be able to handle.
Other than that it is total fun. It is one of my all-time favorites, even more so than Boston!

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Feb 22, 2008
2. Feb 22, 2008 3:18 PM in response to: panthek
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?
is this the site we register for the p/p ascent and marathon
Click to view andahuff's profile Legend 281 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
3. Feb 22, 2008 5:12 PM in response to: mauserk98k
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?
Dunno, as I am not nuts enough to try it! LOL.
Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
4. Feb 23, 2008 2:59 PM in response to: panthek
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?
Pike's Peak Marathon is tough, no doubt about it. Aside from the long, steep climb and long steep descent (I'm assuming you're talking about the marathon, not just the ascent - in my opinion, it's only worth it if you do the whole thing!), the altitude can be the real killer. Altitude affects many people in different ways, but it can be a killer for most people without some level of acclimation. The time between 12000 ft and 14000 ft was a killer for me and the pain lasted until I was back down to about 11000 (at which point I suddenly felt great!) You may see some advice floating about saying that if you're not able to get a couple of weeks of altitude acclimation, then show up the day before. I would give that a 10% chance of working, based on feedback I've received from others who have tried it. I would recommend that (1) you find some time, perhaps a couple of months early, where you can jog around at 12000 ft or more to see what it feels like after one day, two days, or more, and (2) you arrive there as early as possible before the race, to get in some level of acclimation at the highest altitude possible (don't even bother if you can't get higher than 6000 feet or so - it will have no relevance). As far as getting in some hill training, the best you can find at your disposal will be to get in one or two runs a week on the treadmill with the inclination cranked up. Keep in mind you don't have to run hard, just a very slow pace is plenty sufficient.

As far as the Houston marathon goes (which I believe is in January), this will not have a negative effect on your ability to do that and do it well, as long as you train properly for it, which is a totally different story.
Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
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5. Feb 23, 2008 3:00 PM in response to: mauserk98k
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?

You register at www.pikespeakmarathon.org, not here.

Click to view formationflier's profile Legend 989 posts since
Oct 13, 2007
7. Feb 26, 2008 3:47 PM in response to: panthek
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?

Well, there's no doubt that the altitude issue is extended for the full as compared to half, but really the damage is done by that point. It is a **** of a quad burner, but with proper downhill training you can prepare for it. I certainly wouldn't want to go through all of the hassle and travel just to do the ascent, but that's me!

Click to view KimCR's profile Amateur 11 posts since
Dec 14, 2007
8. Mar 21, 2008 6:12 AM in response to: formationflier
Re: Pike's Peak marathon?

Being a flatlander myself, I had a difficult time past tree line. Some other runners from low elevations did not have an issue with elevation and went up it quicker . Training at altitude is a plus but it is not always feasable. I think a lot has to do with serious hill training to toughen your quads and not going out to hard prior to 10,000 ft. I did not have the best training as I had hoped was sick upon arriving there and still managed to surprise myself. Once your on the way down from the mountain, you gradually catch your breath. You need to be alert enough to not trip on roots and rock, etc. I was thrilled with my descent after being sick at the top and once near the bottom, it was a blast. After awhile if your an endurance athlete, getting sick is just part of the fun. My congrats for all that signed up and got in.