Hi, i was wondering what is more acurate as far as pace and distance traveled.
A Garmin GPS or a regular cycling computer that mounds on the wheel.
I have a garmin forerunner that is pretty good for running. The pace jumpes around a bit but I think that the distance is pretty acurate.
I was thinking that a bike computer that mounts on your wheel may be more acurate than gps and will give a smoother reading on your pace.
am i right?
If calibrated correctly where you actually measure your wheel, a bike computer should be as accurate as a GPS. It is not reliant upon seeing the Sats, so it will still be accurate when riding through dense trees, between tall buildings or through tunnels. Many bike computers will provide info more relevent to a rider such as cadence and if your pace is above or below your average. Top dollar units will provide altitude readings and work as a heart monitor if your into the training aspect of riding. Also, bike computers, even wireless versions go several months between needing new batteries. The time before a GPS needs new batteries / recharging is measured in hours.
That being said, I also use a GPS when ever I am going on long rides. Especially if I might be going to areas I am not real familar with "which is often" I use a Garmin NUVI that, though mainly designed for Auto use, has Bicycle and Pedestrian modes. I have been meaning to look into some of the new full color screen bicycle models that have come out. It would be great to have the voice turn by turn instruction for a specific route, such as on maps given out on clube rides.
thanks for the reply! I think I am going to get the cateye strada. The part about not needing to change batteries for months won it for me. ![]()
After several years of using Cateye and Polar cycling computers, I purchased a Garmin 305 last December ('07). I have found that the Garmin is extremely accurate for mileage, keeps present and average speed, heartrate and cadence. What's great is that, after my workout, I just plug in a USB cable into my computer and I can transfer all of the info into my training log. The cadence sensor is also a speed/distance sensor that you can use in lieu of the GPS satellite. This is great if you are going to be riding in wooded areas or if you are indoors on a trainer. I love that I can use the same computer for running and cycling. I have never had the battery die on me. My longest bike ride is 6 hours, so the battery has never been an issue. When not in use, I keep the computer on a charger in my garage next to my bike. If you are an ultramarthoner or 24 hour endurance athlete, then the battery could be an issue, in which case, the Garmin 205/305 would not be a good choice for you.
I owned a Garmin Edge 305 and now own a Garmin Edge 705 and both units have been an incredible asset to my training. Both units feature rapid satellite acquisition technology that ensures the unit gets a robust signal even when you're mountain biking under a dense tree canopy.
Using the Garmin device with the free Motionbased.com web site and the Garmin Training Center software that comes with the unit has made analysis of my rides easy and fun!
I recently went through this same debate. I was really intrigued by the new Garmin 705. However, after reading several different forums, I decided to stick with a cycling computer. There are more posts about bugs on the Garmin than I could count - a lot of people having the exact same problems. Garmin has come out with fixes for a few of the problems, but it's still a very buggy device. From what I've read, the GPS altitude functions are not very accurate, so it uses barometric altitude measurements to determine atlitude. That's fine, except you can't recalibrate the barometer, so it gives poor readings. The speed has similar issues - GPS not always accurate or not able to receive a signal, so it defaults back to a speed sensor, which is what a typical cycling computer uses. If the $600 GPS functions aren't reliable and use the same technology as a $50 cycling computer, then why pay the extra.
I ended up buying the VDO Z3. It has most of the function of the 705 (heart rate, altitude, speed, cadence, power, time, temperature, etc), and also interfaces with your computer, so you can download workouts. It does not have a GPS though, so it won't find routes for you. It does allow you to recalibrate the barometer. I'm very happy with my Z3.
A general rule of thumb is in order here and that is, the folks that have issues with their Garmin, CatEye and other devices may appear to be the majority. Online forums are notorious in reinforcing this misconception.
My point is this. I have a Garmin Edge 705 and have experienced only one technical issue and that was solved with the latest firmware release (v2.3). There is a silent majority out there that is happily riding down the road/trail with their Garmin Edge devices and having no issues thus no reason to spend the time posting that "everything's fine".
All this said, the Edge 705 is pricey and you have to do your own value analysis to see if it fits the bill for your needs. There are many other outstanding devices that have been discussed already.
Personally, the Edge 705 has represented a cycling "super" computer that not only captures very detailed ride information but actually routes me to new locations with "bicycle routing" in mind. The unit has routed me to a local restaurant and worked diligently, in the route it chose, to keep me off major, high-traffic roads. It was just amazing to see that technology at work!
Regardless of the device you use, I think most of us would agree that capturing fine details about your rides can be very motivating as you build up a history over weeks, months and years.
Safe riding to you all!
Cheers!
You are absolutely correct, BikeGeek. My apologies. The vast majority of people on forums are trying to trouble shoot problems, so it appears everyone who owns one has problems. I'm sure you are correct that the majority of people that own a 705 are pleased with their purchase.
What I meant to emphasize in my post, and obviously failed to do, was that the altitude and speed on the 705 often uses a typical cyclocomputer speed sensor and barometric altimeter, and not the GPS signal to determine those metrics. Therefore, unless the route finding ability of a GPS is a prority (admittedly a very cool feature), it may not be worth the extra cost.
my cycle computers are within 0.2 MPH and a fraction of a mile (<0.5mi) of my Garmin Nuvi for speed and distance. This is really amazing b/c my car and motorcycle are both >3-4 MPH off for speed and similarly distance.
One - somewhat serious issue with Gramin Edge 305 seems to be that it switches off randomly. After somebody suggested that it is due o bad design of battery springs that is prone to lose contact if unit is sibjected to stronger vibrations I tried pushing the headlight bracket against Garmin to minimize vibration (Edge own mount allows small but non-negligible amount of play which contributes to vibration problem). After I started doing it the random switch-off problems disappeared. This really was the only issue I ever had with Edge 305.
"My cycle computers are within 0.2 MPH and a fraction of a mile (<0.5mi) of my Garmin Nuvi for speed and distance. This is really amazing b/c my car and motorcycle are both >3-4 MPH off for speed and similarly distance."
Not so amazing. You have to plug in a number into your cycle computer for the algorithm to work. The best way is to do that is with a radial run out, actually measure the distance of one wheel rotation. With that number your calibration should be dead on. You don't have that option with a motorized vehicle.
Woland,
My 305 shut itself down on occassion, but Garmin was happy to replace it - hasn't happened since. The 705 has a few more features, and as soon as I've got the extra cash to pick one up, I'll be upgrading. - can't beat it especially now that it can read in from other AMT devices such as a power hub and give some serious infomation on the ride and metrics it took to do it.
Hey,
Just thought I would add one thing I came across with my computer recently. The roads on the race I did were really rough at times and my sensor kept getting off alignment so most of my miles were not logged. That is frustrating when you are doing a century and not sure how far along you are...
Substituting a rare earth magnet for the original one is one solution to that dilemma. The rare earth magnets are considerably stonger and as such aren't as suseptable to "falling out of allignment" as long as its within a zone that is about 3-4 times larger than with the commercial magnet it came with. Buy a package and just share them with your local friends that have the same issue.
How do you mount the rare earth magnet to your bike spokes?
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