So I get that the treadmill is worse then running outdoor , but what ahout running on an indoor track ?

i would def.  not run on a treadmil whenever you can b/c it does half on the workout for you... besides running outside is way more fun... especially when you have friends with you... with a treadmil the ground moves for you... outside youre the one who has to move... plus you get used to diferent weather situations... which is good for races

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my friend (478) and i (386), despite being from different schools train together and push eachother to run faster... its great other wise i wouldn't run as much and it wouldn't be as fun...

Fartacus' comments hit exactly on how I feel - STAY POSITIVE and give yourself a pat on the back for all that you accomplish.  Don't knock yourself if you slip now and then.  And If you don't enjoy what you are doing, what is the reason for doing it?   Fartacus - you obviously have a sense of humor (your name alone gives ME a chuckle!  LOVE IT!).  I will never be a world-class runner or come in #1 in any race, but my personal accomplishments in the past year (my first year as a runner) have kept me going.  Sure, I have a bad run now and then, but I look back at where I was a year ago when I couldn't even run to the end of the street, and I tell myself, "Hey, look how far you've come!"  That's the only time I look back, by the way....

First of all I would like to say, You are awesome! You have made done so much! Lost weight, decreased your time... WOW.

I started running back in August using a treadmill. It's great way to start out I think. It helped me with my pace and it was good. Sometime in March I  began running half of my runs off the treadmill. I ran on the track. Holy, the first time was hard and I remember that running 4 miles on the flat track killed me. I was sad because I was running sooo slow outside than I was on the treadmill. Back in the day, I would run a 10 minute pace on the treadmill and a 11 minute pace outside. But I kept at it. When I decided to run my half marathon, I started doing my long runs on the treadmill (8 miles) in March and my short runs on the treadmill. Weaning yourself off the treadmill is key, I think. It will take time. But I know that you can do it. When I went home for summer my brother introduced me to hill workouts! I started running all my miles off the treadmill and on the road. There were several things i noticed:

1) the wind is killer...it hurts to push against the wind. I almost died when i ran my first 8 miles off the treadmill. I was lethargic the entire day. laughs

2) the sun is killer...it makes you feel heavy

3) Keeping pace is more difficult..so the slowing down and speeding up makes the run more difficult. ALthough the pace i ran on the treadmill helped me a lot in remembering what a 10 min. pace felt like

4)You can push yourself...you can run faster if need be and slow down on a whim...You are more attuned to your body. This is sorta difficult to do on the treadmill...

So, I agree with the post above..it's best to try to get off the treadmill. I know how hard it is but it's possible. Running on the road is more fun! It is also more interesting.

Unfortunately sometimes we have to revert to treadmills, if like me you live in a hot climate there's no choice. Here in Dubai today the temp was 34o/c at 6am and is hovering around 37o/c now (11.30pm) with around 85% humidity. My run today consisted of treadmill looking out the window and praying for the cooler weather at the end of the month early October.

Personally I hate treadmills but where needs must it's the best option and it's far better than the couch..!!!