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Spareribs823 Legend 2,040 posts since
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30. Dec 7, 2008 6:01 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

5.1 at 9:37's on a beautiful, clear and still day in Dallas, not a cloud in the sky and mid 40's.  It doesn't get any better.  My wife did a 2 hour run in prep for next week's White Rock half-marathon.  We will host a couple of runners from out of town from the old CR days, good internet friends, one of whom we haven't even met yet, but a good guy.

 

 

I logged in tonight just to see how Jim did.  Just as with Ks's race, I admire a good runner going out at the pace he hopes to achieve, provided it is realistic.  I admit to being a bit condescending about the "marathon a month" people who run the same time over and over for no reason.  Jim, hope it worked out well.  Spareribs

 

 

Jim24315 Legend 1,987 posts since
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31. Dec 7, 2008 8:38 PM in response to: Spareribs823
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

It was a tough morning for me, but compared to what many of you have overcome this year it doesn't even begin to qualify as adversity. I was on a 6:50 pace through mile 15 and by the end of 16 I was walking. I'll try to fill in some of the details later but for now I'm just happy to be home and warm. Thanks for all your support.

euphoric Legend 940 posts since
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32. Dec 8, 2008 3:16 AM in response to: Jim24315
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

Jim, sorry to read it was a difficult day after all of that training.  I hope all is well.

ksrunr Legend 1,292 posts since
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33. Dec 8, 2008 6:55 AM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

Ribs - hope the saint has a good race at Whiterock.  JJChaney should be there for the full and runs very quick.

 

 

Jim- sorry to hear you didn't meet your goal.  Sounds like you had a tough day.   Anxious to hear about it and what you learned.

 

 

5.75 for me this morning in balmy 60 degree weather.  Suppose to cool off Tues nite.   1 mile warmup at 8:20, then balance in avg of 6:45's including last .35 miles shuffling for cool down.

 

 

Fred, Tigger, and Euphoric - hope your not freezing up there this morning.

 

 

Jim24315 Legend 1,987 posts since
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34. Dec 11, 2008 8:29 AM in response to: ksrunr
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

Although this one is going to take a while to get over, all the training was cetainly not for naught. I try not to forget that this has been one of the best years I've ever had. I set senior PR's at every distance except...and my 10k, HM, and 30K times were major breakthroughs. I also won three PAUSATF championhips and ran 2nd in 2 others.

 

 

 

 

 

As for yesterday, there are many questions, some of which I'm not sure I know the answer to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Training and nagging abductor problems in the weeks between Nov 9th 30k and yesterday:

 

 

Although I started feeling a lot better around Thanksgiving, it might have been too little, too late. The leg that caused most of the problem last month was a non factor yesterday. However, the one on the other side started to hurt at 14 and began to get out of hand after passing mile 15. I tried to jog a ways, but when I tried to get going again it hurt even more. After walking much of the rest of the mile I could no longer jog wihout it hurting. Finally I flagged down one of the race vehicles which phoned ahead to find out when the "sweep vehicle" would be coming by. The 10 minutes they said turned out to be more than an hour. Fortunately, after 15 minutes of standing in the freezing cold, I was able to take refuge in a restaurant located just behind the aid station.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Had there had been no leg problems it is still questionable whether I would have met my goal. Even before the leg started hurting, I was feeling worse than I had at similar points during my October and early November races. Did I peak too soon? Had I run the marathon rather than the half on one of those days would I have run better? I have to think so, but it is something I'll never know. Until I can actually run a good marathon the doubts will always be there. Several runners I beat or ran within a few seconds very recently at HM and 30k went on to run sub-3 yesterday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another point that I'm not that happy to admit is that I really didn't handle the stess well. I slept poorly all week, even though I resorted to taking a benadryl on 3 of those nights. I was so fatigued by Sunday morning that I wasn't even looking forward to it like I almost always am. Lack of sleep a day or 2 before a race has always been a problem for me, but rarely to the extent it was this time. Maybe I put too much pressure on myself by shooting off my mouth so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The weather was perfect for marathoning, and the 60-plus winner, Terry McCluskey (60) from Ohio, shattered the course record with a 2:50:40. Second went to Ron Enos (63) with a 2:57:03. Enos had run sub-3 at Boston twice in last 3 years with a win and a 2nd in 60-64 AG. He's 63 now. When you consider that Chuck McDonald ran 2:58 last year while being ranked 2nd in the U.S. it gives you an idea of how good those performances yesterday were.

Spareribs823 Legend 2,040 posts since
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35. Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

Don't beat yourself up too much Jim. As you said yourself, you had a heck of a year.  This will be a good time to regather your strength.

 

 

Headed out this morning for a short run and knew in the first 200 yards it wasn't going to work.  Walked two instead and did a good core and stretch workout.  Tomorrow will be fine.

 

 

KS, JJChaney and I have corresponded about Sunday.  i know he is focused on the weather too.  He and his gf are staying in the host hotel, but they may join us for Saturday dinner.  However, I have one guest coming in late and I fear Jim will want to eat early.  I would if I were him.   Spareribs

 

 

Rich in NH Legend 563 posts since
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36. Dec 9, 2008 4:39 AM in response to: Spareribs823
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

Hey Jim, sometimes our body's kind enough to let us know we're doing too much during a training run, other times it waits 'til we're right in the middle of a race to sound off. At any rate, you had a great year and are in excellent shape, be proud.

 

ks, I don't know about Tigger or Fred, (Euph's south of here) but it's cold in NH today. 6 F. when I got up this morning and 16 when I went for a 3 mile Nordic walk this afternoon. My ol' ears reminded me they were still attached about a mile into the walk, they weren't covered and got cold... lol

 

I'm just burning calories lately, trying to maintain.

ksrunr Legend 1,292 posts since
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37. Dec 8, 2008 2:50 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

Rich - 6 degrees? Revised forecast here in CC is 31 degrees Wed morning and rain. That is cold down here. If that happens they will have wrecks all over the city and likely shut down the schools. I'm sure it's balmy where Euhpie lives.

 

 

Jim - Don't beat yourself up over your marathon my friend. Maybe next year your marathon should be your "A" race and then race the rest of 'em. Certainly you've got another sub 3 in you. Heal up.

 

 

We should make bets on how many times Raider makes an appearance next year?

 

 

Take care Ribzo

 

 

Jacques Le Strappe Pro 203 posts since
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38. Dec 8, 2008 4:17 PM in response to: Jim24315
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

 

 

 

You just described exactly what happened to me in Tokyo last February.  I really beat myself up getting ready for that race, and had adductor and piriformis problems in both legs.  The left one was the worst, but it was the right one that gave out on me at around 26 km.  Unluckily I had put my clothes on the bus that took them to the finish, so I had to keep going.  I finished the race by running a minute and walking 5 minutes.  I am pretty much recovered, but I can still feel the adductor on the right side if I push the distance too far. 

 

 

Marathons are tough races for anyone, but more so for us oldbies.  The chances of hitting the start line in good shape are much lower, and the chances of finishing the race are even lower.  Don't feel too badly about it.  You can always do it next year.

 

 

Today was just a 10 min warmup followed by a 35 min run on the TM and a 10 min cooldown.  I may go back tonight for a short run. 

 

 

euphoric Legend 940 posts since
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39. Dec 9, 2008 4:10 AM in response to: Jacques Le Strappe
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

Jim, I hope you'll give that muscle a chance to heal while you plan for your next big race and reflect on the terrific year you've had.

 

 

 

 

 

We had our first meager snow this weekend while enjoying temps below 20 degrees. I walked on slippery sidewalks and then spent time in the balmy pool. Sunday was another good two hour "run" with imaginary hills. Yesterday was 2 sets of 7x1:30, 30 seconds rest and 5 minutes between sets. That was followed with kicking for one length of the pool and running back with the kickboard held over my head, 5 times. I finished by running two widths of the pool wearing no belt. You can sweat in the water.

 

 

Ribs, good luck this weekend and try to keep that envy under wraps.

 

 

Fred, I don't know how you do all of that.

 

 

I hope the rest of you are having a good time waxing those skis and enjoying the snow. Wish we had some.

Jacques Le Strappe Pro 203 posts since
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40. Dec 9, 2008 6:29 AM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

It's snowing very hard here right now.   We are expecting 12 to 18 inches today.  More tomorrow and Thursday, then 3 or 4 nice days.  I didn't go back to the gym last night as legs felt tired.  This morning they were just sore, so I managed 40 min after a good warmup.  I also bought Sweetums and I some snowshoes from Mountain Equipment in Vancouver.  I have not used SS since I was a young lad, so it will be an interesting afternoon when they arrive!

rochrunner Legend 974 posts since
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42. Dec 9, 2008 1:19 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

 

Jim, don't beat yourself up over the only off performance of the year -- you certainly had one heck of a year in spite of it! But then who am I to be giving advice to one of the true "masters" among us?

 

 

 

 

 

Let's see... Since my last post I've been out on my winter 6-mile loop once or twice again, and am running stronger all the time. Almost back to where I was a year ago before the injury, but not quite. But the camaraderie is good, and I've generally been faster than the guys I'm running with. The club etiquette is to run your own pace and don't feel obligated to hold back, so I usually finish the last mile or two alone at a quicker pace.

 

 

Today, though, it was 5 on the treadmill. A couple of inches of slush on the ground with a steady, hard, cold rain all day.

 

 

Spareribs823 Legend 2,040 posts since
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43. Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM in response to: fred-urie
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

Yesterday I headed out to run but it didn't feel right.  Lots of twinges and very fatigued, so I walked 2 instead, then did a complete core and stretching workout.  Today I did 5.3 slow and I was tired the whole way.  This means I will have lots of pep tomorrow.   Spareribs

Rich in NH Legend 563 posts since
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44. Dec 9, 2008 4:07 PM in response to: Spareribs823
Re: 50 Plus Training and Racing - December

I thoroughly enjoy your posts Spareribs, it's great to see you doing so well.

 

Yesterday was registration day for the half marathon I run in Vermont in June.  The race is limited to 2300 runners and fills up fast, you have to be at your computer at 9 am when registration opens, or risk being left out.  Anyway, I was a couple minutes late to register and for an hour kept getting the message the server was experiencing higher than normal traffic and to check back in a few minutes.  Finally at 10 am, I got in and was typing as fast as I could, figuring time was running out quick.  Sure enough, the race filled up at precisely 10 am, so I was VERY close to missing out.  This is one of my favorite races, so it was nice to get a break.

 

Tuesday,

 

Our weather warmed into the 40's today so I got on the highway and took advantage.  5 miles easy, pushed a 1/2 mile 3.5 miles into the run.  My fast is still slow, but it felt good to run at a quicker pace for a change.

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