Keeping the drive train clean is important. Usually we don't recommend using WD 40 unless really rusted nor using motor oil as that is a new on on me! But hey, whatever works! I'd still change the chain more frequently than msm... but that is fine testimonial to keeping the chain clean. I use the Boeing T-9 most of the time. In my mind if its good enough for jet engines its good enough for my bike!
EJ
I'm a recreational biker and I spend a certain amount of time on crushed limestone, which devours chains. When I first got my present bike (Giant Cypress DX) was using 2 chains a season (In Minnesota 'season' means late March to late October) getting about 1000 mi before the skipping started. I found this appalling, so I did some sniffing around. I'm an engineer and some of that background really helped. It looks like cleanliness and pedaling technique are the keys to chain life. I've found that keeping it clean is pretty easy if you use a master link. The chain comes off the bike real quick, and I soak it in citrus solvent for and hour or so and swish it around well in clear water for a while. Wipe the chain down with a paper towel and look for dirt in a paper towel. If the towel shows dirt repeat the solvent and swish routine until the towel stays clean. Dry it real good with a hair dryer and check for dirt one more time. The dirt isn't just dirt, it's finely ground metal from the pins mixed with ordinary dust and grime you pick up from the road. It's a very effective grinding medium, especially mixed with a lubricant, which spreads it all over the mating surfaces of the chain plates and the pins.
When the chain links engage the sprocket the leading link rotates about the pin with respect to the trailing link. Then when the link disengages from the sprocket the rotation is reversed. In doing so the plates rub across the pin. The angle of rotation equals 360 deg/number of teeth in the sprocket--the fewer the teeth in the sprocket, the greater the angle. The actual rubbing distance is 3.14 x pin diameter/ the number of teeth in the sprocket. A very small distance, but it's repeated twice for each revolution of the rear wheel, so it adds up. The point is that smaller rear sprockets have fewer teeth so there's a lot more rubbing going on and a lot more wear. Going from 11 teeth to 22 teeth reduces the rubbing by half.
There's also more pedal effort required when you're using a a higher gear ratio, and the additional load also aggravates pin wear. I found I could double the life of the chain by not riding the small sprockets all the time and using lower gears instead of standing on the pedals when I took off from a stop. It isn't macho, but it sure keeps the chain in good shape. I now get more than a season out of a chain and the casette lasts longer. If you're interested in the mechanics of chain drives, get a copy of Machinery's Handbook from your local library.
Hi CPW,
Nice technical discussion. We usually recommend that riders utilize the larger gears when possible. That as you now know is sound advise. I like Citrus ChainBrite from Park but I use that as a last step. If you want to be fast about it high pressure hose it but not near the bottom bracket or cassette. Blast that stuff out of there! Then the chain brite or some like to use mineral spirits but who knows if that is a carcinogen or mutagen.
So, from cleaning your chain you learned to up your cadence. That direction from the learning curve is new to me but whatever gets you there!
Have fun and stay clean!
Thanks for your input!
E.J.
>> Nice technical discussion. We usually recommend that riders utilize the larger gears when possible. That as you now know is sound advise.
I like Citrus ChainBrite from Park but I use that as a last step.
I use the generic degreaser from Home depot because I use a lot of it. If you soak the chain long enough it'll carry away all the fine dust that gets down inside. I think you really need something to float off all the dirt and dust and old lube that's inside the chain. The pressure washer should do it if you know there's no powdered rock or abraded metal left on the pins and the inside of the link plates. The citrus solvent penetrates the layer of lubricant (mixed with metal and rock dust) and you wash the lot out with clean water. After you get no dirt on the paper towel, you can dry the chain and install it and know the fresh lubricant isn't going to mix with any remaining dirt and carry it onto the pin. Water will wet the surface nicely and float off dust, and the citrus solvent and water mix can go right down your kitchen drain, and, unlike mineral spirits or (God help us) gasoline it doesn't stink and it won't burn your house down. I suppose everyone knows not to put clean oil on a dirty chain--it just carries more dirt onto the pins as it penetrates.
I have one of those solvent reservoirs that fits over the chain with rotating brushes inside. They'll take off the outer layer of dirt, but they don't do so well inside. They're nowhere near as good as a solvent soak and water rinse. I don't suppose I'd be nearly such a fanatic about it if I didnt mave a chain with a master link and the little pliers thingie to pop it loose. Like all bike tools, they're priced at twice what they would be if you bought them in a real hardware store, but they're really worth it in terms of lost time fiddling with a filthy chain and lost master links flying off to oblivion when something slips.
The citrus solvent at Home Depot or your big box of choice is great stuff--about $8 for half a gallon with a free spray container. You can wash your whole bike down with it (I use a soft bristled siding brush) and go over the whole thing while your chain soaks. Then let the bike dry in the hot sun while you clean the chain. Last thing I do is install and lube the chain. Takes about an hour and a quarter, without all the noise you get off a dirty chain it feels like you're riding on a cloud.
CPW
CPW.
Nice report. I've used hardware store degreaser in early steps but I like the Home Depot suggestion. At our store we even use an ultrasonic cleaner for the full deal tunes. That baby really hums!
EJ
Just turned 7,000 miles on 2nd chain on the bike that now has 17,000 miles on it. Yeah! ![]()
I also use a high cadence of 80 RPMs as stated in a prior post. It looks like everyone agrees that no matter which method of cleaning you choose, that "clean and lubed" is the simple primary key to a prolonged chain life. Sounds like 2nd may be the stress level applied, AKA torque. Smooth pedal stroke with consistent pressure on down and upswings (as is a good form) may be another logical assumption.
The main reason I opt for the WD-40 drench followed by a thorough wipe and then brushing on Mobil-1 is for speed of process. A good spray bottle for the WD-40, if bought by the gallon, or the pressured spray in the regular can placed right next to the chain gets the grit out of the small areas. I do this every ride and it takes about 5 minutes on my Park Tools stand. Also, moisture is a non-issue. For the rest of the bike I use the paper towels that wiped the excess WD-40 from the chain and crank to remove the mineral deposits from my sweat that remains on the bike frame and cables. Last step is a clean paper towel with a small amount of Windex to take off the greasy film from the prior steps. I just got tired of disassembly/assembly time and if I didn't insist on being so picky about my bike being perfect every ride, I probably would have kept using the citris cleaning liguid with the Park Tools chain cleaning tool. The chain just didn't feel as clean when you turned the crank and you still need to thoroughly dry the chain afterwards before lubing but you don't need to remove the chain from the bike. I use the same quick method on my titanium, carbon fiber, aluminum and steel bikes. All have Shmano Dura-ace chains.
Just don't try any of these cleaning methods mentioned in the house or your significant other may object!
Just turned 7,000 miles on 2nd chain on the bike that now has 17,000 miles on it. Yeah! ![]()
Man... I'm green with envy, but maybe not so green that I'd do it every ride. I think that's the secret. You could probably lube the chain with salad oil and get the same performance, if you kept the chain that clean. Good on yer!
Just don't try any of these cleaning methods mentioned in the house or your significant other may object!
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Another reason to use citrus--you can wash it down the kitchen sink and there'd be no problem.
CPW
I would still recommend using a chain checker for stretch. Once stretched the wear on the gears distorts them and they have to be replaced. They are more expensive than chains by far. $350 for a campy top of the line cassette makes one think that changing the chain more frequently might be the way to go.
EJ
That is the one strange anomaly about my experience. The last time I replaced the chain at approximately 10,000 miles, on the bike I ride most often, I did it when it started to hop on the taller gears. It was very stretched but I did not replace the cassette thinking that I would if the new chain had excessive noise, hopped, etc. It's still the original cassette (Ultegra 9-speed) and no problems! Even the guys at the bike shop where I bought the chain are scratching their heads. The only thing I can think of is the frequency that I clean and lube. As the prior posts stated, salad dressing might work as well if used every ride. BTW, my rides are always 32-40 miles on this bike with no exceptions. OK, I had my wife come pick me up once when I had a flat and my replacement tube's (a new one) valve stem didn't have any career objectives!
I think you lucked out on the cassette. I recommend that everyone carry a tire boot as well in their saddle bag. They are inexpensive and the best way to repair a torn tire. Park makes then and all your saddlebags should carry one, at least.
Keep spinning.
EJ
Really helpful info. Thank you.
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I ride about 4,000 - 4,500 miles per year, and am fanatical about drivetrain maintenance. Both of my bikes have a quick link that makes it easy to remove the chain for cleaning and maintenance. I replace the Dura-Ace chains on my bikes every 1,200 miles before they get so stretched that they'll trash my cassette and chain rings. I replace the cassette and chainrings every 6,000 miles. My local Trek store has been great to deal with. They replace the chain for me on the fly in 15 minutes for $50 installed.
I change my chain about every 2,000 miles. I have a go-no-go gauge that cost $7 at a local store. This type of gauge is simple to use. I rarely change my cassette except to change the gearing however if the chain skips after replacing the chain you waited too long and need a new cassette.
It's my understanding that all chain's stretch the the same no matter how much you spend. For this reason I always purchase the cheapest chain I can find.
When I lube my chain I usually allow it to stand overnight and then wipe the excess off this also cleans the chain. In more than 40, years of riding I've never cleaned a chain with solvent because this removes all previous lubricants and you have to start the process over. New lubricant may not penetrate the links that had lube removed during the cleaning process.
When I lube my chain I usually allow it to stand overnight and then wipe the excess off this also cleans the chain.
In more than 40, years of riding I've never cleaned a chain with solvent because this removes all previous
>lubricants and you have to start the process over. New lubricant may not penetrate the links that had lube removed during the cleaning process.
I'll quibble a bit with this. Lubricants invariably hold contaminants including metal dust in suspensionthat's why they turn black after use. Under magnification you can see all the stuff your old lubricant picks up. The mixture of lubricant and metal dust, limestone powder and all the fines from worn paving is about the best grinding medium you can find, short of simply dusting off your chain with a mix of WD40 and emery. Soaking the chain in water soluble solvent, washing with clear water and repeating the soak several times eventually removes all the old lubricant and all the contamination with it. Starting the lubrication process afresh is exactly what you want to dothat's why you change the fluids in your car's engine and not just add more.
Water is a good wash because it wets the surface and floats off the solvent. You can use lots of it and if you use the orange solvent and rinse off the chain in a bucket you can do about anything with the water but drink it--I just pour it out on the lawn. After you dry the chain thoroughly with a heat gun, you can add fresh lubricant with confidence that it's adhering to the rubbing surfaces as it should and not recycling any remaining contaminants. And if you do it often enough, you'll get a lot more than 2000 miles per chain.
CPW
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