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tatiper Amateur 19 posts since
Oct 21, 2009
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Oct 30, 2009 8:32 AM

Training on treadmill vs road?

I am following the c25k program, and tomorrow I’ll start week 8. I’ve been running outside, on the road and occasionally on trails. I love running outside, but it’s getting too cold and dark by the time I get home, so I bought a treadmill to make sure I won’t stop running this time (I gave up last year).

 

I am brand new to running, but I’ve read that treadmill running is not the same, that people who run in treadmills usually feel like road running is a lot more difficult even when they go the same distances. Is this true? And if so, is there anyway to simulate the feel of the road when working out inside? I registered for my first 5K, which will be on Thanksgiving morning, and I really want to be able run the whole thing without walking breaks, and I’m worried that switching my training to a treadmill will impact my ability to do so. Any advice?

Tri 2 Do It Pro 48 posts since
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1. Oct 30, 2009 8:53 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

I think getting a treadmill was a great idea.  I'm training for a half marathon on Nov 15, and I've been doing my long weekend runs outside on the road and my shorter weekday runs on the treadmill.  I've been mixing running on the road and on the treamill for some time now and to me there are two differences worth noting: 1) the treadmill is a more "cushioned" surface, so you don't feel as much of the impact as running out on the road.  2) even if your treadmill has fans, you're going to get a lot warmer and sweat more running indoors.  I know there is some difference in how you run on a treadmill versus outside because the belt is moving and you're not, but I don't really notice that myself.  Bottom line:  a very productive run can be done  on a treadmill.

 

BTW: I've always been able to run a bit faster out on the road than I can on the treadmill.

 

You're going to do fine on your Thanksgiving 5K!  Let us know how you did.

Chunky Monkey Rookie 6 posts since
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2. Oct 30, 2009 10:17 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

My knees are pretty shot but I still like to run races so I do most of my training on the treadmill and then do my weekly long runs outside when ever I can.  When it's nasty I can watch an entire football game if I have to do my long run on the treadmill.  The air circulation thing is true; you get a lot warmer on a treadmill than the road so make sure you have a towel or you'll be flinging sweat all over the place.  The most current school of thought is to raise the incline on the TM to 1.0-1.5 to simulate resistance you would normally get outside on a static road v. a moving belt and that's helped me w/ the transition also.  Personally I've found that my center of gravity shifts between the TM and the road and I feel a little heavier when I go out on the road.  I tend to lean forward a little more on the road and back on the TM.  It takes a mile or so to adjust and then I'm ok, but before then I'm kind of out of sorts and it makes it a little difficult to gauge my pace early because I'm trying to adjust and find my groove.  Eventually I settle down and life is good.

 

You'll come across a fair number of road snobs out there who really berate the treadmill and sometimes even scoff at the people who use them to an extent and I find that disappointing.  Sometimes a treadmill is the only way some people can run for either health or safety issues.  The main thing is that you keep running and do what ever works best for you, right?

 

Here's to a great race!  They are a hoot to run regardless of distance and that treadmill will help you get to the starting line this year.  Best of luck to you.

Atsipootes Expert 50 posts since
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3. Oct 30, 2009 11:02 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

Well when running on treadmill you always have the best weather conditions: no rain, no wind, always warm. But when running outside, wind, rain, cold or hot weather makes you a stronger runner You don't have any hills on treadmill:) Once I read one article that running outside is even more effective if you want to burn more calories.

I have to run in darkness too. Yes, sometimes it's pretty hard to start, especially when it's cold, but I like running outside more than inside

But if treadmill motivates you to rain  during winter - that's great

Keep running Good luck





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D.Snipes Amateur 18 posts since
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4. Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

I've always heard that running on a TM is easier on the body given that many newer models have flex-deck technology.  That said, running inside doesn't allow you to get used to the prevailing temps.  I enjoy outdoor running and don't really care about the weather - although I prefer layering up than stripping down.  That said, it takes me a little bit to adjust when it's really cold (heading into winter) or a warm up in temps (heading into spring).  If your goal is to complete the Turkey Day 5K, you should be fine - just expect to breath a little harder as your lungs suck in that crisp fall air

 

Good luck on your first race!!  You'll do fine as long as you don't try and break any land-speed records.  Take it nice and easy and stick with your goal of finishing the race w/o walking - don't worry about anything else

silvereagle Legend 800 posts since
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5. Oct 30, 2009 12:06 PM in response to: D.Snipes
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

About your treadmill training I suggest putting the treadmill at 1 to 1 1/2 degree up this will simulate a flat track. its a good way to train inside, it just doesnt help if you run hills..

 

 

 

Dennis





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TyKy Amateur 31 posts since
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6. Oct 30, 2009 12:18 PM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

IMO running on a treadmill can be just as good a work out as running outside.  Infact I am always more tired on the treadmill and run faster outside.  Granted you have to be careful about cheating and make sure to change up the workout.  Here are something I have noticed.

 

1) As mentioned before the air is very differant.  Make sure to have a towel and some extra water.

 

2) DO NOT CHEAT!!!!!  If you jump to the sides while drinking water your not getting a true speed/distance measurement.  If you can't drink at the same pace your at then slow the treadmill first, drink then speed back up.  This is what you'd do outside right!

 

3) Don't watch TV.  It is very tempting and easy to do; however it takes your mind off the workout.  Once the runner is outside their mind is looking for "entertainment" and can become board.  Then it'll start to notice the running "pains" and their mind is not "trained" to overcome the bodys complaints.  This is especially for those first 1-2 miles that most runners complain about before they find their grouve.  Now if I were doing 10 miles or more on a treadmill I would give in and watch TV just to keep the mind awake.

 

4) A lot of people especially like to do speed runs inside.  This is because they can set the speed to a desired pace and maintain it.  Personally I like to do my speed runs outside but prefer to do my tempo runs inside.  I find it harder to keep the faster pace outside.  However, once I've done it inside a couple times I find I go even faster outside.

 

 

Good luck on your race

dwm082 Community Moderator 1,172 posts since
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7. Nov 2, 2009 2:08 PM in response to: TyKy
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

I find treadmill running to be considerably more difficult than road running, primarily because of the overheating issue. I have what my father called a "New England constitution," meaning that I prefer cooler weather. (To give you a sense, I'd much rather run in -5°F air temp than in 80°F air temp, especially if there's high humidity.) The lack of air circulation on a treadmill just about kills me. Right now, I have a fan set up next to the treadmill as well as the built-in fans, and I'm still melting.

 

Otherwise, I don't really mind the treadmill. It's a little boring, and I feel that it's qualitatively different (the belt does the work and I just keep up with it), but otherwise not awful.

 

You can, of course, simulate hills by bumping up the incline. Try setting it to 8 (or 10 or 12) and tell me that's not a hill workout!

 

Don





"Don't fear moving slowly forward ... fear standing still" - Kathleen Harris

"Last is just the slowest winner." - C. Hunter Boyd

2009 Races
May 17 - Cleveland Marathon (3:58:39)
May 24 - Buffalo Marathon (4:12:19)
June 27 - UltimateXC Quebec Edition "Half Marathon" (~19.26 miles: 6:20:30)
November 22 - Philadelphia Half Marathon (1:53:30)

November 26 - YMCA Turkey Trot 8k

crl8686 Legend 689 posts since
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8. Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

If you can run a 5K (or any short/middle distance) on a treadmill, you should be able to then go out and run the comparable distance on the roads. The difference becomes much more pronounced at longer distances, but not so much at 5K. If the race is going to have hills, you should be simulating some hills on the treadmill before the race. You will also be running on a harder surface during the race (unless it is a trail race) so your legs may be more sore afterwards. The biggest difference, in my opinion, is learning to calibrate your pace on the roads, where there is no electronic display to conveniently (and continually) tell you just how far you've gone and how fast you're going.





"...I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can do, but to the best you can do....I've learned that you can keep going long after you think you can't..." --- author unknown


2009 highlights...
•    @ 10K: Fiesta Days Run, La Canada, CA, May 2009, 50:53
•    @ 5K: Downtown Anaheim 5K, Anaheim, CA, June 2009, 24:45
•    Long Beach Marathon, Long Beach, CA, October 2009, 4:43:10
•    Post-marathon: Calabasas Classic 5K, Calabasas, CA, November 2009, 25:14

ifyoutri Amateur 16 posts since
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9. Nov 2, 2009 7:11 PM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

Good job in coming up with an idea to maintain your running, it is hard to maintain what you are doing during the winter.  For me running on a treadmill is harder than running on the road.  It bores me which makes me think about how much I don't really like running.  Then I start to daydream and many times I have either started running to fast and bumped into the front or have stepped off to the side.  I know I know very stange behavior.  So I guess what I am trying to say is everyone is different and as long as you keep it up you will be fine.  Good luck on your 5k!

 

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cyndi t Legend 756 posts since
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10. Nov 3, 2009 12:21 PM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

I admit it, I'm a treadmill snob.  Not on purpose and I don't scoff those who use treadmills.  Personally I can not stand them and will do just about anything to avoid running on one.  When absolutely necessary due to ice, I will run on a treadmill albeit reluctantly but have braved just about all other weather to run outside.  I can honestly say that I am glad I did brave the elements because my first HM was run in a Nor'Easter...first half of the race was just cold and wet, the second half was cold, wet and running straight on into 35 mph sustained winds.  No matter how long you train on a treadmill, you'll never train for that inside.  I will run on a treadmill this winter ONLY on days where ice prevails and only until the wonderful road department has cleared a path with their salt melters just like last year. Treadmills do serve a great purpose and if for you it is a motivator to keep you going this winter than by all means do it and do it happily!

Cyndi





TRUST THE TRAINING!

Seaside Half Marathon 10/18/09 3:00:52

Beavertown 5K 11/7/09 35:57

2010 races:

More Half Marathon April 2010

Ridgewood Run 10K Memorial Day 2010

Seaside Half Marathon October 2010

Ericd3043 Pro 75 posts since
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11. Nov 3, 2009 12:37 PM in response to: cyndi t
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

I started out and ran on the treadmill for 3 months prior to road running.  My first time on the road was in my first race and I could not pace myself.  I ended up running too fast and had to walk.

 

Since then, most of my running has been outside except when I try something new.  My first couple 10K's were on the treadmill to see how I would do.  I did stretch a 10 mile run in recently without the treadmill and the time was decent.

 

What I have decided is that for my normal runs and my stride training, it will be outside (I just cannot get the hang of strides on the treadmill )  The tempo runs will usually be on the treadmill as I can ramp it up from 6 or 7 miles per hour to 9 mph and then back.  My average time is about 8 1/2 min per mile, so the 9 mph sprints usually do me in before I can finish the training.  My usual jogs are supposed to be slower than my race times, but I find it hard to dial it down on the easy runs.

 

Anyway, do not worry about what others think.  Do what is best for you and what seems to work.  There are some things that you need input on - but besides the suggestions of elevating the treadmill, do what works best.  If you are more comfortable doing most of your runs outside, great.  If not, that is fine.  The most important thing is that you are still working on your training.  Most of us are not going to be the elite runners so you might as well have fun and try to improve what you can.

 

Good luck..... and keep it up.





My race times (2009)

Vince Tantillo/ Jack Barr Memorial Run 5K:  26:37

Waynesboro Firecracker 5K:  26:47

Tom Ausherman Memorial 5 mile Run:  44:50

Great Frederick Fair Race 5K:  26:42

CitiCorp 5K Heart Run  :  25:49   Finished 13th, 2nd in my class! (though, only 43 racers)

1 Left for 2009!

2009 Turkey Trot : Hagerstown 5K  November 26th

Check out my Blog :  My journey to the Ultra Marathon....

ifyoutri Amateur 16 posts since
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13. Nov 4, 2009 8:28 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

this is exactly what happens to me and I do not understand it either!  I have just resigned myself to run outside, it ismuch more fun anyway.

http://ifyoutri.blogspot.com

Elite5981 Rookie 1 posts since
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14. Nov 4, 2009 8:40 AM in response to: tatiper
Re: Training on treadmill vs road?

Hey yea i have the same problem on the tredamill. I can run 5miles easy outside but once i "have" get on the treadmill because of the weather i can barely get 2 miles done. I don't know an exact reason but i think its because i like moving while i run and on the treadmill you stay in one place. But yea i have that problem too and am too wondering if its more than just the getting somewhere while you run thing or not.

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