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Hi, I hope I am at the end and with a real cure for a long Morton's Neuroma battle. I traumatized my foot in a bicycle accident. They say MN can be years in the making and it flared up big time, I had been wearing tight running shoes for about a year not thinkng too much about it (they'll stretch I thought).
SO, AFTER POKING AROUND ON THE NET, I got lucky and saw Prolotherapy mentioned (and its rarely mentioned by patients) and I flew to who seems like the best in the USA, Dr. Hauser outside Chicago in Oak Park. I was skeptical of doctors placing ads but surgery sounded scary.
Well, he cures some in 4 treatments and its taken me 6 by him and 4 by prolo docs in Florida, I should have stuck with him all the way, but I hated to fly so far.
Week 5 after treatment 10 the tingling of many pin points on the bottom of my foot has almost dissapeared, I am rarely feeling the shock of the nerve through my toes, my foot feels tighter overall. I ran a bit in too tight dress shoes the other day to make a meeting, no aftermath !!!!
I am walking 2 miles a day without pain and after about week 7 or 8 I will begin light jogging incrementally, I don't want to stretch the newly tightened ligaments.
I am hoping to hear from others treated this way and their results long term. Its supposed to be permanent.
Just over week 7 after prolotherapy. What, nobody else commenting?
I started shuffling my feet this week at jogging speed to prepare my feet without impact. So far no backslide in healing progress, I cannot feel nerve irritation between the metarsals anymore and toes don't go numb either.....progress !!!!! What I do still feel is a bit of pins and needles on the sole of the foot the day after a long walk or shuffle jog.
I'd say there is hope that I may be cured of the Morton's Neuroma in time, the long, natural way. This is a true story, I am not marketing for anyone. I wanted to get a community response and conversation going...........
Just after week 8. The story of my life, talking to myself on this thread with no one commenting because I chose prolotherapy and so few know about it, its just like me to do the wierd thing.
Anyways, shuffling type jogging and walk every other day.........................yesterday the nerve, which is enlarged re-found its place between the metarsals by making a faint pop sound, hated to hear that...................then there was more inflammation but all seems well, no real backslide. Hopefully the nerve will continue to shrink in time since the structure of the foot is no longer loose.
Wish me luck, surgery is not for me..............
It is a little strange that nobody has responded to a topic that has been popular on other threads, but it may be because Prolotherapy is still considered new even though it has been around for many years. Too many choices these days, and people tend toward the mainstream when their running is at stake.
The concept is simple - inject an inflammatory substance into the target tissue to provoke an enhanced immune response - but there was an outcry over a similar strategy used in some H1N1 vaccines, namely the use of adjuvants, that was looking for the same effect. Prolotherapy targets the healing process though, rather than general immunity, so there should be greater acceptance of the method, which actually relies on nature for efficacy. I believe the best therapies depend on the body's ability to adapt to stress, and this one could be more widely used. The injection is often something as harmless as sugar water, for crying out loud.
Perhaps the reluctance is due to the fact that so few doctors are trained in the technique and get less practice using it than other therapies. Insurance probably does not cover it, either. Did yours? If not, what was the cost? People might try it if the price reflects the relative simplicity of the procedure. It is marginally invasive - much less so than arthroscopic surgery, which can produce some adverse reactions of its own.
I have recommended prolotherapy in the case of bursitis, and I suppose the treatment of ligaments that are sometimes loose in the Morton foot is a good adjunct therapy. Just make sure that the foot is structurally optimized for the athletic performance you expect before piling on the miles. Many people with Morton's Neuroma have developed several of these interosseous neuromas over the course of a lifetime, so this could be a permanent fix for only one of them.
The Morton foot has physical limitations that require some thoughtful engineering for adaptation to sport. Otherwise, the minor metatarsals will still be at a considerable mechanical disadvantage. My advice is to look past the usual orthotic solutions to somebody that understands how to deal with the math of Morton biometrics. This Doctor (Jarret) sounds like he knows what he's talking about...
Here's one of his posts to this forum...
Dear Mr. Johnson,
I will surely read the links later tonight, for now I want to thank you for your informative, intelligent response.
Prolo has definitely strengthened my foot. I don't know if I have the classic Morton's foot, I 'll have to read more (those links).
The costs are sometimes covered by insurance I am told. I was in grad school without any insurance.
I think my injury was more from the accident than a progressive tearing down from running.
I usually pay $200 to $250 for foot treatment cash.
Most people need 4 treatments.
One greedy doc charged me $450 per visit, he was unusually talking money all the time.
I still think this is the only way to go.
Its week 9 after prolotherapy, I have been shuffling my feet into a jogging speed. The nerve has become a little annoyed, a little wee bit inflammed but not back to the original mess. As I start to really stress my foot again, I can feel the ligaments stretch out, they were so nice and tight after prolotherapy but they must now adapt to real life use. So it will be interesting to see how all the ligament strengthening will hold up and if the enlargement of nerve is re-absorbed, this is the hope !!!
Thank you again Mr. Johnson for helping so many people on this site :-)
OK, I'm interested! I have suffered with MN made worse by an orthotic. I've done alchol injections, cryo, surgery last year - none of it has helped, in fact a bit worse off than I was before.
I got a great orthotic guy now and that helps but my foot is still very tender and sensitve and my activities limited.
Any advise on how to find someone with ggod experience in the Philadelphia area?
Find nearest doctor there. What I cannot tell you is who is the best in your area because I simply don't know. Like I said, I tried local docs, but my best results came from Dr. Hauser in Oak Park, Ill. He is one of the biggest promoters and writers on the subject.
I continue to heal despite increasing my walks into periods of jogging. This is because the foot has tightened up and the bones stay in place. As I continue to push the jogging, the old injury to the nerve is re-felt of course but faintly because it keeps shrinking, jogging now is the only time you re-injure it a bit.
I still think I found the only way to cure this without any repercusions, it is a natural process and so takes time.
Best wishes for good results.
Thanks, I think I'm going to try these guys:
Congratulations on your improvement, it sounds promising
Was it expensive?
I looked at your link to site, these guys appear to have all the right knowledge of prolotherapy, especially if they are treating atheletes as they do.
Prolo usually costs me $200-$250 for the foot per visit..............ask for a heavy duty treatment after the first try, go from dextrose solution to sodium morhuate to get a real stimulation bonanza, first two days after a treatment hurts but then you are homefree. You make real strong tissues you can KEEP !!!
How are you doing Acupunk? You must have gotten a treatment by now?
While my foot has tightened up so the bones don't bang together and crunch the nerve any longer..................the now damaged nerve needs time to shrink, to heal, it could take another 2 years for all I know. That is the thing about addressing things honestly, naturally. You cannot undo what you did instantly, it takes time and real understanding of underlying issue to get your God given body back to you.
I have ramped up to 2 miles every other day, no increase in damage, no backwards progress. I intend to keep increasing my mileage until I get to 3 miles a day and that is all a cross trainer like me demands of myself.
Well, one of my podiatrists told me he refers people for prolo for ankle stuff, but he thought using it for MN was crazy - that it would be impossible to actually get to the little ligaments between the toes.
I made an appointment anyway with the NJ clinic because I also have some back stuff going on that might be helped by prolo. Appointment is not until late April, so we'll see.
Don't let conventional doctors deter you........I ran 3 miles yesterday with no jolting pain, just general nerve annoyance, but no more sharp pains.......it is working and staying that way, I expect continued healing, my docs find the little ligaments just fine..................prolo does wonders for the back. You are on the right track.