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  • Chucklovestorun Pro 116 posts since
    Apr 9, 2010
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    2,475. Apr 4, 2011 8:58 AM (in response to Scrufffy)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    Jack, glad you are ready for that 5K on the 16th, don't push it too hard! Had a Fun Run 5K Run on Saturday for MS, managed a 24:19 but it was tough, came out a little faster than I wanted to and had to hang on at the end for air!! Have 2 more 5K'S plus a 10K this month before I go on vacation up North. Really hoping to break the 24 minute mark this year!! Trying to get these runs in before 100 degree days start hitting us here in Texas!! Good Luck on your run!!





    Best 5K: 24:12

    Best Half: 1:57:51

    Goal: Full Marathon: 2011

    Been Running Since March 2010

    Age 58

    Chuck

    03/05/11 Dash For The Beads 25:05

    03/12/11 Leaping Leprechauns 15K 1:23:31

    03/27/11 Dallas Rock and Roll Half Marathon 1:57:51 New PR

    04/02/11 MS Walk 5K 24:19

    04/09/11 Make The Break From Domestic Violence 5K 24:45

    04/16/11 Radiant Sprint for Cancer 10K 55:25

    04/23/11 Run For The Dawgs 5K 24:09 New PR

    05/14/11 Test Yourself 5K

  • Scrufffy Legend 252 posts since
    Dec 2, 2010
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    2,476. Apr 4, 2011 9:40 AM (in response to PaintingLady)
    Re: My challenge

    Marie

     

    Right now I am committed to using the Nike's.   I can run comfortably in them and use the Chi/Natural/Pose/Minimalist (whatever it really is) style. My experience to date is that the Nike's give me the least stress when running.  I have not encountered a "new" injury using the Nkie's as I have using the Newtons and FFs.  Obviously, it is the running style that I am most interested in and most of the materials I have read associate zero or minimum drop with the implementation of the style.  The Free's have a 5 mm drop.  I am looking at the Altra Instinct. This seems to be a good compromise, having zero drop, a wide naturally shaped forefoot,  and a reportedly decent amount of protection from rocks etc.  I think the minimalists and BF runners may cringe at the Instinct with its small amount of cushion, but I am running for me. If I decide to get a pair of the Instincts, (highly likely)  I'll let you know how they work out. 

     

    http://altrarunning.com/mens/instinct/

     

    I originally got the Nike's with the intent to eventually move to a zero drop shoe. They have become my main day to day footwear as well as what I run in.  I cannot, today, run comfortably in the FFs nor in bare feet.  I think I will be using the FFs on my boat and for walking around the house or a little slow walking.  As I said before, I think using the FFs will help build strength in my feet and add a bit to the overall proprioceptive response of the rest of the lower body.

     

    Glad you got in your run already. I am waiting for the thunderstorms to quit before I venture out. We are in a tornado watch and severe thunderstorm warning and there is a lot of rain and wind right now.  Will rogers was quoted as saying, If you don't like the weather in Oklahoma, just wait 15 minutes. Here in Arkansas it is pretty much the same.

     

    As far as taking it easy in the race, it will be a battle between what I tell myself is the right thing, and that stupid male thing!  I would like to think that spending so much time recovering has taught me something, but its like telling yourself that golf is not a game of powerful effort, but a game of effortless power. Sometimes you just haul off and smash the damn ball!  If there is any semblance of pain at all next week at any time, I will just be cruzing it as a training run and put off the 30 minute goal till another day.  We'll see.

     

    Speaking of golf;  I shot 75 last week on a championship course.  My best EVER!  So getting older is not the end of improvement!

     

    good running

    Jack





    Spa5k, 11/04/10, 30:58 2nd place senior

    Peace and Love 5k 3/16/11 29:05 1st place senior

    Toad Suck Daze 5k 30 April 11, 28:29 1st place age group

    2011 Spa 5k 11/19/11 25:55 1st place senior Personal Best, 2nd career

    Looking for a 10 k to run and if that goes well, a HM next spring

    A body at rest tends to stay .... on the couch!

    Jack

  • Scrufffy Legend 252 posts since
    Dec 2, 2010
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    2,477. Apr 4, 2011 9:59 AM (in response to Chucklovestorun)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    Congratulations on that 24:19 5k Chuck!

     

    I know what you mean about the 100 deg days in Tx.. We get our share in Ark. I like doing a little jog and walk in the heat, but steady running just gets me dehydrated too quickly.

     

    My plan for the 5k is to start the first mile at 10 minutes per.  From there I will be able to tell how the rest of the race will be.  It is a very flat course so I should be able to do a negative split if all goes well. If not, there is always the next race.

     

    I don't plan on pushing it and 30 minutes should be well within my capability for pace, it is just a mater of having the condition to hold form for the whole distance. My back of the envelop targets would be

     

    Mile 1 - 10:00,       mile 2 -  9:40,        mile 3 - 9:20,       then run like hell!

     

    Jack





    Spa5k, 11/04/10, 30:58 2nd place senior

    Peace and Love 5k 3/16/11 29:05 1st place senior

    Toad Suck Daze 5k 30 April 11, 28:29 1st place age group

    2011 Spa 5k 11/19/11 25:55 1st place senior Personal Best, 2nd career

    Looking for a 10 k to run and if that goes well, a HM next spring

    A body at rest tends to stay .... on the couch!

    Jack

  • SteveBikeRun Legend 455 posts since
    Aug 3, 2010
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    2,478. Apr 4, 2011 11:30 AM (in response to Scrufffy)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    Jack:  I'm glad you're back on the road and I hope your 5K on the 16th goes well.  I've not yet embraced the minimalist running style; I got my new Sauconys today and will wear them for my runs this week before my 5K on Sunday.

     

    Our temperatures here in Chicago have been in the 40s and 50s the last several days, so we haven't had the variations that you have had.  We may touch 60 this week.





    --Steve

    Completed in 2012:

    The Qualifier HM, Midland MI, May 2012, 2:58, 80+ degrees

    Dam to Dam 20K, Des Moines, IA, June 2012, 2:17, PR for this race

    Garry Bjorklund HM, Duluth, MN, June 2012, 2:20

    Fox Valley HM, St. Charles, IL, 9/16/12, 2:23

    Des Moines HM, 10/21/12, 2:19

    Tentative plans for 2013:

    Wisconsin (Half) Marathon, Kenosha, WI 5/4/2013 (registered)

    Dam To Dam 20K, Des Moines, 6/2/2013 (registration opens March 20th)

    Grandma's (Half) Marathon, Duluth, MN, 6/22/2013 (if I get picked again in the lottery)

    Des Moines HM, 10/20/2013 (registered)

  • Chucklovestorun Pro 116 posts since
    Apr 9, 2010
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    2,479. Apr 4, 2011 11:40 AM (in response to SteveBikeRun)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    How I DO NOT miss Chicago area weather!!





    Best 5K: 24:12

    Best Half: 1:57:51

    Goal: Full Marathon: 2011

    Been Running Since March 2010

    Age 58

    Chuck

    03/05/11 Dash For The Beads 25:05

    03/12/11 Leaping Leprechauns 15K 1:23:31

    03/27/11 Dallas Rock and Roll Half Marathon 1:57:51 New PR

    04/02/11 MS Walk 5K 24:19

    04/09/11 Make The Break From Domestic Violence 5K 24:45

    04/16/11 Radiant Sprint for Cancer 10K 55:25

    04/23/11 Run For The Dawgs 5K 24:09 New PR

    05/14/11 Test Yourself 5K

  • rcuriel Pro 178 posts since
    Mar 2, 2011
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    2,480. Apr 4, 2011 3:28 PM (in response to Scrufffy)
    Re: My challenge

    Jack,

     

    The pain in the foot sounds so familiar.  I'm pretty sure that it's caused by inflamation in the nerves between metatarsils.  They run from the ankle to the toes and are sort of threaded inbetween the bones.  There are several causes and if the inflamation continues over a long time it can turn into Morton's Neuroma.  I suspect that the what caused the problems in my case is that the muscles were/(are?) too week in my feet to keep the foot from flexing too much, which irritates the nerves, which causes inflammation, which irrates the nerves even more.  In my case I followed up a good 5k (24:10) walking around in tight shoes.  Next day doing a recovery run both feet were screaming, but I continued on.

    My left foot recovered nicely, but my right just got worse.  Went to the doctor to check it and x-rays came back negative.  The funny thing was after all the squeezing and twisting of the examination, the foot felt a lot better.  Realized at that point that it wasn't "pre stress fracture" like the doctor thought.

     

    Icing helps keep the inflammation down.  Normally I will ice after a run, but things are to the point where I don't have to.  I can tell if things are getting close to being a problem.  If I put weight on the ball of the foot and then turn, there will be a slight twinge or tingling in the foot.  Haven't had problems with the feet since I started the icing.  Feet are getting stonger so it should be less of an issue.

     

    If you want to transition to barefoot or minimalist shoes (VFFs, Merril Trail Gloves) you might check out "The Barefoot Running Book" by Jason Robillard.  Son got it yesterday and talks about transitioning plans and common problems.  What I've read so far jives with my experience (should have read it before I started) and it's clear and concise.

     

    Ray

  • urun2me Pro 194 posts since
    Jun 7, 2010
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    2,481. Apr 4, 2011 5:14 PM (in response to Chucklovestorun)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    Jack, what's wrong with 100 degree days?! Just joking. I'm also in Texas and find myself savoring these moderate days while they last. Soon enough the heat and humidity will set in and runs will have to ve done at the crack of dawn again. I'm doing my first 10K on Saturday - Fiesta! It should be flat and a lot of fun. It will be my first race since the R&R half last November. I hope to run this race nonstop (a big step for me) and hope to come in right around an hour. My training 10K's have been at 1:09 and 1:06 so I hope the crowd will speed me up a bit.

  • Scrufffy Legend 252 posts since
    Dec 2, 2010
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    2,482. Apr 4, 2011 8:49 PM (in response to rcuriel)
    Re: My challenge

    Ray

     

    I can relate to the pain you are talking about. It seems to go away with icing.  Then it could be gone for days and come back late in a run or after a run. Probing to find the sorce of the pain seems futile and the probing could result in the pain being gone.  I started running last September again after a 30 year lay off and a 35#  lay in of hybernation... call it fat!  The feet were stuck in shoes with supports and were probably very weak when I started running.

    I am getting close to regular runing again.  Everything is getting stronger.

     

    I'll check out the book. I read a lot. (lots of time in retirement!)  Thanks!

     

    urun2me

     

    Good luck saturday in the race. Your training runs sound solid and the 59:59 looks to be right there for you. Looking at the weather report this evening, it looks as if we (Arkansas) may get well into the 80's this week end so I am guessing that you might have a warm race.  Let us know how it goes.

     

    Good running

    Jack





    Spa5k, 11/04/10, 30:58 2nd place senior

    Peace and Love 5k 3/16/11 29:05 1st place senior

    Toad Suck Daze 5k 30 April 11, 28:29 1st place age group

    2011 Spa 5k 11/19/11 25:55 1st place senior Personal Best, 2nd career

    Looking for a 10 k to run and if that goes well, a HM next spring

    A body at rest tends to stay .... on the couch!

    Jack

  • Chucklovestorun Pro 116 posts since
    Apr 9, 2010
    Currently Being Moderated
    2,483. Apr 5, 2011 4:57 AM (in response to urun2me)
    Re: .... your challenges?

    urun2me, Sounds like you are in the San Antonio area where it's even hotter than Dallas!! Not looking forward to the dog days of summer again!! Best of luck on your 10K, I have never run one of those but plan on doing one next week. I have done a ton of 5K'S, a 15K and two Half's but never a 10K so I'd be interested in how it goes for you? Good Luck!!!





    Best 5K: 24:12

    Best Half: 1:57:51

    Goal: Full Marathon: 2011

    Been Running Since March 2010

    Age 58

    Chuck

    03/05/11 Dash For The Beads 25:05

    03/12/11 Leaping Leprechauns 15K 1:23:31

    03/27/11 Dallas Rock and Roll Half Marathon 1:57:51 New PR

    04/02/11 MS Walk 5K 24:19

    04/09/11 Make The Break From Domestic Violence 5K 24:45

    04/16/11 Radiant Sprint for Cancer 10K 55:25

    04/23/11 Run For The Dawgs 5K 24:09 New PR

    05/14/11 Test Yourself 5K

  • Joseph Tree Legend 378 posts since
    Oct 22, 2010
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    2,484. Apr 5, 2011 5:00 AM (in response to Scrufffy)
    Re: My challenge

    ScruffyJack,

    Ditto- It's good to see that you're running again.  Just don't push too hard.  I love my VFF Bikilas, but I know how long it's taken for me to get my feet and legs in shape for them.  Now that spring is moving along I hope to get my feet built back up to good distances of BF running. For racing though, I think I'll be sticking to my Biks for the forseeable.

    You know from your reading and experiencethat the point is not the footware but the gradual development of the sustainable running form.  So, carry on with good attention!





    Barefoot / Minimalist Runner

    ...not maintaining this these days..

    07/29/2012 Marsh Creek Raptor Run 10 Mile Trail Race

    07/15/2012 Quadzilla 15K Trail Run, Trexlertown, PA 1:37 (2011, 1:49)

    04/29/2012 Lehigh Valley / St. Luke's HM, 1:43:15 (2011, 1:54:20 )

    03/19/2012 Kutztown Fool's Run 10 Miler, 1:18:15 (2011, 1:30:20)

    02/26/2012 Ugly Mudder 7.2 Mile Trail Run, Reading, PA 1:20

    11/27/2011 Dirty Bird 15K Trail Run, Birdsboro, PA 1:40

    10/08/2011 Lehigh Gap Nature Center 10K Trail Run (6.38 miles), 59:20 (10/07/2012)

    Started running (again) May 5, 2010

  • docedwards Expert 43 posts since
    Mar 6, 2011

    I ran the Talladega 2100, (HM), on Sunday with a time of 1:56:53. I felt good through the first 8 miles and then my legs died. I had ran a 5K on Sat. We had over 800 runners and it was very well organized with a great post-race meal and party with a live band. This race will be run in the Fall next year. Put it on your schedule if you can. And you get your picture taken in Victory Lane





    Alive and Running from beautiful Oxford, AL

    Personal Bests (m/53)

    5K- 23:04

    10K- 49:55

    Half-marathon- 1:50:58

  • mimiisarunner Legend 329 posts since
    Nov 12, 2009
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    2,486. Apr 5, 2011 11:08 AM (in response to PaintingLady)
    Re: My challenge

    Jack! You will do great in your 5K! I have no doubt. I cannot wait to hear your report!

     

    Marie! Good run especially in the wind. I do not blame you for being a little protective of the hip after the problems that you had.

    I have been reading the Chi Running Book. All of you that are doing the Chi running got my curosity up! I am only about half way through the book but decided on my 4 mi run this morning, I would see if I could focus on some posture, heel pickup, lean and leveling my pelvis as well as the breathing. I did great with everything but the breathing! I just cannot breath through my nose and run. BUT, I did run faster than I ever have and had absolutely no fatigue in my legs! I loved it, but since I was running faster, my breathing was more labored. I do not seem to have a problem with the lean, the leveling of the pelvis, or relaxing my arms and legs, but I do have a problem breathing correctly! How did you ever learn to get all of it together?





    FM! 3/4/2012 New Orlean RnR - 5:49:55! PR!

    10K PR 1:11:22 ( 11:49 mm)

    5K PR 30:20 !

    Ran 4 HM's in 2011

    HM 11/13/2011 PR!!! (2:35:53) Pensacola, FL

    HM 12/3/2011 (2;39:27) Ran for fun and training St. Judes, Memphis, Tn

    HM 01/07/2011 (2:48:23) First Light HM - Mobile, AL (My very first HM)

    HM 02/14/2011 (2:40:23) Mercedes Benz - Birmingham, AL

    2013 Events:

    1-5-13 Ms. Blues HM 2:44:57

    1-13-13 Gulf HM 2:40:xx

    2-24-13 Disney Princess Half Marathon

    3/20/2013 Azalea TR 10K

    4-7-2013 Pensacola Beach Half Marathon

  • donna0325 Expert 53 posts since
    Jul 12, 2010
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    2,487. Apr 5, 2011 11:27 AM (in response to mimiisarunner)
    Re: My challenge

    I haven't posted her in awhile, but read through the recent posts whenever I need motivation.  And, I need motivation NOW.  I'm doing the Platte River Half Marathon this Sunday, and my running schedule has been sporadic the past few weeks.  I'm getting in my long runs on the weekends for the most part (11.5 miles the weekend before last), but have had problems getting out during the week.

     

    I bought a Garmin Forerunner 405CX a couple weeks ago as a [51st] birthday present to myself.  That was probably the best birthday present I ever received.  Now, I'm discovering all the trails in my area (outside Boulder, CO) instead of running through the neighborhood on routes I mapped the distance with my car.  I'm finding the long runs much easier.  I'm meeting 3 members of my running club at the race.  This club meets Saturday mornings for 4 - 6 mile runs.

     

    After the Half Marathon, I'm going to be training for the Bolder Boulder 10K over Memorial Day weekend.  Has anyone done any speedwork, without any injury?  I feel like I'd like to set a goal and improve my times (can't remember when or how fast I ran my last 10K).  I typically head out and just set distance goals for my training plan.  Fartleks, tempo runs, track work seems complicated.  Any suggestions?

     

    Donna





    Half Marathon:

    Heart & Sole, Boulder, CO - 8/22/10 - 2:09:51

    Denver Rock N Roll, Denver, CO - 10/17/10 - 2:11:01

    Platte River, Littleton, CO - 4/10/11 - 2:01:31

    10K:

    Bolder Boulder, Boulder, CO - 5/30/11 - 58:00:00

    5K:

    Quicker Quaker, Lafayette, CO - 1/8/11 - 26:57

  • SteveBikeRun Legend 455 posts since
    Aug 3, 2010
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    2,488. Apr 5, 2011 12:06 PM (in response to donna0325)
    Re: My challenge

    Donna:

     

    Our running club does weekly track workouts/interval training during the spring, summer and fall on our high school track.  I do an easy mile jog to warm up and then (with another person) do intervals of one mile to 1.5 miles (four to six laps), trying for an 8:00 pace.  This is far slower than many runners for that distance, but it is about a minute faster than my 5K pace.  After each interval, we walk one 400m lap and get water, then repeat for a total of four or five intervals.  I generally do another 1/2 mile walk or easy jog to cool down with my water bottle before I get back in the car.  Since I warm up before and since we're on a flat surface, I've never had an injury.

     

    I have a Garmin 205 (no heart monitor).  It's great for pacing and for keeping me from going out too fast at the start of a race.  I know why you like yours.





    --Steve

    Completed in 2012:

    The Qualifier HM, Midland MI, May 2012, 2:58, 80+ degrees

    Dam to Dam 20K, Des Moines, IA, June 2012, 2:17, PR for this race

    Garry Bjorklund HM, Duluth, MN, June 2012, 2:20

    Fox Valley HM, St. Charles, IL, 9/16/12, 2:23

    Des Moines HM, 10/21/12, 2:19

    Tentative plans for 2013:

    Wisconsin (Half) Marathon, Kenosha, WI 5/4/2013 (registered)

    Dam To Dam 20K, Des Moines, 6/2/2013 (registration opens March 20th)

    Grandma's (Half) Marathon, Duluth, MN, 6/22/2013 (if I get picked again in the lottery)

    Des Moines HM, 10/20/2013 (registered)

  • az2mn Legend 402 posts since
    Jan 20, 2010

    Hi Marie,

     

    Just returned from my TN trip late Monday night.

    Knoxville is a very nice city and the event, overall, was very good.

     

    I am not a road course racer so it was pretty tough for me (mentally, translation: "boring" and impact is too hard on my right knee) as I am more of a trail runner.

    I don't like pavement running at all.  That being said, the 1/2 marathon course did have its scenic route towards the end where it went through a 'park'.  I liked that.  The 'hilly' portion was not bad at all as I am use to more steep hills, didn't stop at all on the hills however, the downhill portion was a killer on my right knee which I am still having issues with and it did not like the hard impact it had to take.  I felt it at mile 8 especially and the last couple of miles of the downhill portion really did a job on my knee.  It is still swollen despite the iciing since Sunday after the race.  I was not happy with my time of 1:55:56 ......... yes, still under two hours which is my 'normal' time but I was hoping for between 1:45 - 1:50 .......pretty bummed about it.  My legs did not feel tired at all so I should have pushed myself harder ......... which is what I have been telling myself .......... but my knee was pretty sore!

     

    Now, for the bad news:  before the race, which, by the way, despite the chilly temps in the early morning hours, it was perfect once the race started.  It was really a nice day for a race!

    Anyway, I took my camera and took some photos prior to the race.  The event had a checked bag portion which I could pick up my bag after the race.  I bent down to tie my shoe and placed my camera on top of my bag for a SPLIT SECOND, and someone stole my camera!!! Can you believe that?!? No one saw who it was as I yelled out if anyone saw someone take a camera ......... thank goodness I downloaded all the photos of my first grandbaby's arrival into the world before the trip so I was not as upset as I would have been ........... yet, one still feels violated.

    I think it affected me mentally throughout the race although I tried to focus on the race .......... anyway, nothing to be done about it now.  I haven't checked the 'lost and found' yet ...... tomorrow ........ but not counting on ever getting it back

    Other than that, the weekend went well.

    Knee is pretty swollen, think I will have it checked ......... have another 1/2 marathon race in May in NM.   Another road course race, ugh!!  Hoping I can be 'healthy' by the June MARATHON in San Diego!!





    Trail runner

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