Aug 1, 2010 2:20 PM
Happy with my Nikes... now discontinued! Good replacement?
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Hi there,
Having had patchy success with running shoes, my current pair of Nikes have worked out pretty well- they've lasted around six months and surprisingly the dull foot aches I used to get after running have mostly disappeared since around the time I got them. So I'd happily replace them with an identical pair... except that Nike don't make them any more.
These are my current ones (Nike Air Citius 2+ MSL):-
The closest match I can see are Air Citius+3:-
http://www.johnlewis.com/104123/Style.aspx?tid=2
Am I right in assuming these are simply a newer version?
What does the "MSL" in the +2 ones stand for?
If the +2 / +3 isn't the version number, what does it mean?
Why don't Nike make this clearer on their website?
What's worse is that Nike appear to have discontinued the Citius line altogether, so even if the Citius +3s are okay, I'll probably have to buy a spare pair for future use. I realise that Nike's business has as much to do with fashion and pseudo-innovation (*), but it's really frustrating that they seem to constantly chop and change so that I can't even go out and buy the same pair again.
- Microstro
(*) Not claiming that there isn't some real innovation going on, but I don't buy into the hype that it's anything like as high as manufacturers would have us believe when they launch a new line of trainers with some marketing-technological justification every few months.
Most shoe manufacturers seem compelled to release "upgrades" to each shoe every year. With the minor tweaks, many manufacturers take shoes that work well for people and make them work less-well. Highly annoying. Lots of runners go out and buy multiple pairs of the same shoe once they find something that works for them. Cheaper than starting nearly from scratch every time there's a new release.
There's a good chance that the Citius + 3 is simply the next generation of the Citius + 2. I can't speak to the MSL acronym on the Citius + 2, though.
Looks like you're back to the drawing board unless you luck out and find that the Citius + 3 works for you and you buy several pairs.
Don
2012 Race Schedule
Providence Marathon (4:48:55)
Buffalo Half-Marathon (2:03:16)
Chicago Marathon (October 7)
Yeah, shoe manufacturers are pretty much full of it. Even for items that aren't "fashion" per se, their marketing depends on attracting attention by advertising phoney innovation to the masses who grow to expect this. Ugh.
Happens with lots of things, cars with this year's grille, "new and improved" cleaning products. I wouldn't care less if it didn't make it such a PITA for me to buy shoes that worked...
Anyway, I already ordered the Citius +3 and expect them to arrive soon, so we'll see. :-/
Just for interest's sake, here are the Nike Air Citius +2 MSL vs. the Nike Air Citius +3 MSL ...
Note that (accounting for obvious wear), the soles appear to be identical. The variation in whiteness I would guess is because the old +2s have been soaked in muddy water quite a bit.
Anyway, we'll see how they go.
The only differences I can really see are in the heel cup and the toe area. I can't say whether those would affect shoe performance in any way (maybe stiffening up the heel cup a little?) Also, there might be other changes in the midsole that aren't visible, but who can say?
You sure wore down your old pair! How many miles did you put on those things? Usually I'm replacing shoes well before the tread gets worn down that far, since I can feel in my ankles, calves, and knees that the midsole isn't doing its job anymore.
Good luck with the new (and improved?) kicks!
Don
2012 Race Schedule
Providence Marathon (4:48:55)
Buffalo Half-Marathon (2:03:16)
Chicago Marathon (October 7)
"You sure wore down your old pair!"
That's the better of the two shoes. This is the other one:-
"How many miles did you put on those things?"
Around 18-22 miles a week; nothing ridiculous. Still works out at around 560 miles over slightly more than six months though.
"Usually I'm replacing shoes well before the tread gets worn down that far, since I can feel in my ankles, calves, and knees that the midsole isn't doing its job anymore."
Well, the weird thing is that I've had very little pain in my feet or joints recently- less than most of my other shoes even when they're relatively new. But yeah, my shoes are normally due for replacement around the 5 month mark, though it's typically closer to six by the time I actually replace them. ![]()
Those ones are starting to feel a little thin now though, but they've still been surprisingly forgiving. My new pair feels more rigid, but that's probably because they're new, and ironically, they're slightly less comfortable at the front- but my previous pair were like that when they were new too. So yeah...!
"Good luck with the new (and improved?) kicks!"
Yeah, I hope so, cheers ![]()
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